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Depressed during the holidays...me too.

 
 
sunlover
 
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Reply Tue 26 Dec, 2006 04:33 pm
Chai Tea wrote:
sunlover wrote:
Maybe so, but I don't think we said we "enjoyed" Christmas this year. We enjoyed the bunch in a charitable organization where we helped distribute gifts to those who had none. I enjoyed their smiles, the recipients of the gifts from people they didn't know. I don't connect "Christmas" necessarily with religion. But, Christmas is unlikely to go away, it is here, so we find fun things to do when our family is not around. Otherwise, it may get a little depressing.

No, nobody should settle for all-or-nothing. It's really harsh to just label people "phony." Could be they like to mingle in the insanity of a mall on Xmas Eve. Maybe some are lonely, like us.



Who is "us"?

I take it you are speaking for yourself, since I haven't heard anyone else say they are lonely.

There's nothing wrong with being harsh sometimes.

Especially when those who don't enjoy the stress don't encourage others to be like them, but those who are gung ho suggest others should enjoy something they way they do.

As stated in my initial post, people need to find their own way. They need to primarily find a way to enjoy their own life, and not as Letty said, live up to someone elses expectations.


I'm speaking of myself and husband.

Of course there is nothing wrong with being harsh, we don't always owe young people warm-and-fuzzy answers when it appears they make fun. Surely they can handle it?

And, as someone else said, they could visit a nursing home - or, serve food to the needy, give gifts to someone else who has none. Believe it or not, that is fun.

Sometimes, a certain amount of stress is good. Now, what is very stressful is no stress at all.

I would be the last person in the world to expect anyone to live up to my expectations, especially where Christmas is concerned. In what way have I done that? Actually, I don't have any expectations, but I do miss my two sons and their families at this time of year. Christmas has become a habit, of sorts. Families visit, when they don't we (my husband and me)miss them.

So, Thunder in her post said people visiting a mall appeared as phonies? What did that have to do with some people feeling a little depressed during the season?.

Can't say I have any argument here.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Tue 26 Dec, 2006 04:44 pm
Chai Tea wrote:
Hi thunder32, and welcome to A2K.

Not to disagree with CJ, but you didn't say you "assumed" everyone else was a phoney, you said you "felt" that way. I know from experience that a situation may not be a certain way, but that doesn't change the way I feel about it.

Many people have mixed emotions about Christmas thunder, you're not alone.

I take it you are on the young side, since you mention coming come from school to see family. You're in college? If so, you're going through a time in your life where your feelings about a lot of things are being tested. When you're a child, if you enjoyed Christmas then, you may not now as you see it with adult eyes, and the responsibilites that go along with it.

In fact, I do believe many people ARE phoney about Christmas, but they don't even know they are being that way. Then again, it's my belief many people just go through life on auto-pilot, moving with the herd. They are supposed to feel wonderful and happy about Christmas, so they tell themselves they are....and so they are.

Reading the newspaper this morning, I learned something. I knew the celebration of Christmas was taken in large part from Pagan celebrations of the Winter Soltice, I think everyone knows that.
But, up until around 1820, it was traditional for people to basically drink and have sex and carouse during these few weeks, since it was too cold to work, and they had fresh meat (because it was cold) and the leftovers from the harvest had been made into beer.

However, in the early 1800's the industrial revolution came along, and business owners were not too keen on their employees just falling off the face of the earth for a few weeks, showing up drunk, etc.

So, little by slowly, Christmas morphed into a time when you still worked, but took a shorter time to buy gifts, see family/friends, without all the partying. It's gotten to this point that many people find this stressful, because it's just one more thing on their already full plate. It's no longer a time of rest, but ususally a non stop frenzy of spending and making sure everyone is happy, happy, happy.

If you have a close family, seeing them this time of year is great. However, not everyone is close to their families. Another however, they are supposed to visit these people they wouldn't otherwise be spending time with, because....that's what Christmas is all about!!!

At the age you probably are, I think it's some kind of law that you have to feel like Holden Caufield. Cool . So don't worry about it.

Just figure out over the next few years what Christmas means to you, and, to thine own self be true. For those that truly enjoy Christmas, have a kind word for them.
For the people you percieve to be phonies, politely avoid them.





I haven't read further - yet - than this post on the first page. I think it a sharp off the cuff take on things.
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Chai
 
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Reply Tue 26 Dec, 2006 05:03 pm
sunlover wrote:

Of course there is nothing wrong with being harsh, we don't always owe young people warm-and-fuzzy answers when it appears they make fun. Surely they can handle it?



I'm not understanding your communication style at all.

Where did it appear a young person made fun, or someone didn't give a warm and fuzzy answer? In fact, it seems you're trying to make this about you, and not what Thunder brought up.
It floors me when someone says "believe it or not" as if another person cannot concieve of something enjoyable unless they are doing it their way. I think everyone has gotten the message that you enjoy giving stuff away to kids at Christmas and donating time at shelters etc. Message received.

You're kinda all over the place with this, and I think we need to get back to what Thunder was addressing


As a matter of fact, I wish our Holden Caufield would come back and talk a little more. I liked him/her.

Come back Holden, come back!
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thunder32
 
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Reply Wed 27 Dec, 2006 08:09 pm
Chai Tea wrote:
Hi thunder32, and welcome to A2K.

Not to disagree with CJ, but you didn't say you "assumed" everyone else was a phoney, you said you "felt" that way. I know from experience that a situation may not be a certain way, but that doesn't change the way I feel about it.

Many people have mixed emotions about Christmas thunder, you're not alone.

I take it you are on the young side, since you mention coming come from school to see family. You're in college? If so, you're going through a time in your life where your feelings about a lot of things are being tested. When you're a child, if you enjoyed Christmas then, you may not now as you see it with adult eyes, and the responsibilites that go along with it.

In fact, I do believe many people ARE phoney about Christmas, but they don't even know they are being that way. Then again, it's my belief many people just go through life on auto-pilot, moving with the herd. They are supposed to feel wonderful and happy about Christmas, so they tell themselves they are....and so they are.

Reading the newspaper this morning, I learned something. I knew the celebration of Christmas was taken in large part from Pagan celebrations of the Winter Soltice, I think everyone knows that.
But, up until around 1820, it was traditional for people to basically drink and have sex and carouse during these few weeks, since it was too cold to work, and they had fresh meat (because it was cold) and the leftovers from the harvest had been made into beer.

However, in the early 1800's the industrial revolution came along, and business owners were not too keen on their employees just falling off the face of the earth for a few weeks, showing up drunk, etc.

So, little by slowly, Christmas morphed into a time when you still worked, but took a shorter time to buy gifts, see family/friends, without all the partying. It's gotten to this point that many people find this stressful, because it's just one more thing on their already full plate. It's no longer a time of rest, but ususally a non stop frenzy of spending and making sure everyone is happy, happy, happy.

If you have a close family, seeing them this time of year is great. However, not everyone is close to their families. Another however, they are supposed to visit these people they wouldn't otherwise be spending time with, because....that's what Christmas is all about!!!

At the age you probably are, I think it's some kind of law that you have to feel like Holden Caufield. Cool . So don't worry about it.

Just figure out over the next few years what Christmas means to you, and, to thine own self be true. For those that truly enjoy Christmas, have a kind word for them.
For the people you percieve to be phonies, politely avoid them.


Thank you very much Chai Tea, that was a wonderful post. I think I put too much pressure on overthinking what is going on, and I have a bit of anxiety about the situation. I'm working on that.... :wink: ....thanks!
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thunder32
 
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Reply Wed 27 Dec, 2006 08:12 pm
letty wrote:
thunder, what you are experiencing is called "group expectations." Everyone is supposed to be happy at Christmas time, consequently when "everyone" isn't, it's a big let down. The result is frustration and consequently, anger. Today was the most realistic Christmas for me and the kids. No gifts were exchanged and we had a simple buffet. I had a glass of Sauvignon Blanc which should have turned to vinegar. It hadn't.


I hate group expectations, that probably hits the nail on the head of my problem....I just didn't have a name for it. That sounds like a very pleasant Christmas. I love to get presents, but I think I could give them up easily if I knew that everyone were totally relaxed and enjoying the moment!
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sakhi
 
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Reply Wed 27 Dec, 2006 10:08 pm
Chai Tea wrote:

At the age you probably are, I think it's some kind of law that you have to feel like Holden Caufield. Cool .


Very true! Was true for me at least when I was that age...Smile....

You'll do just fine, thunder, good wishes!
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thunder32
 
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Reply Wed 27 Dec, 2006 10:25 pm
Thanks Sakhi, it's encouraging to know that this is just a passing stage, and that I am not just a bitter person! :wink:
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