Green Witch wrote:21cnren wrote:
Sigh!GW,have you been to China?Have you been here and experienced the actual life in China?I'm a chinese living here in China.I can see.I can read.I can feel everything around me!I am typing here in my own mind,talking about what I experience.Can it be fairy tale?I don't regard American as evil depending on the words of Chavez and Kim Jong Il,while you don't believe me but the idiots sitting in the offices at the other side of the earth from China.Why don't you think that maybe you are in the trap of U.S press?Did your president Bush tell you that there are weapons of mass destruction in Iraq?What have you found there?Did your government tell you that they sent soldiers to Iraq a place far away from Afghanistan where Laden are living for fighting aganist terrorist?What have they achieved with the exception of thousands of common Irak people's death.How do your "freedom and equalty guards" treat the Irak civilians?Your government didn't confess to having used Agent Orange in Vietnam war for a long time.They have even not acknowledge poor U-bomb is harmful to human health and use it in almost every battle field of Yugoslavia and Iraq.Take a look at Michael Moore's "Fahrenheit 9/11".You will know who is the liar.
All of the bosses of U.S media who subsidize your president and control the decisions of government are billionaires.It's very sorry that China don't have so much money as them to effect the surrounding around everyone living in China.
Your cognition of China is very subjective and extreme.Some mistakes made by Mao in his late years resulted in the death of many chinese civilians.It seems that his goal was rather good for most of chinese people but he follow it in a wrong way.Totally it is said that he is a giant and a good man by combining his mistakes and former work which save mass of poor people from starvation and change the destiny of poor China.
For the problem of Tibet culture protection you mentioned,I don't think our government do their best. But they know the most important problem is raising the life quality of local people.
There are lots of mistakes in your post.I don't have enough time to point out each one.Don't speak before have experienced.
21cnren, I believe Pres. Bush is a liar and an idiot controlled by American Big Business. I never thought Iraq was a threat. I did not vote for Bush and I have publicly protested against his policies (try that in China). I have far more access to world information than any Chinese citizen and I can criticize my government openly without fearing I will be thrown into jail. I have access to every newspaper in the world - uncensored. The Chinese people do not have freedom even on the internet, all major search engines bow to the Chinese government. I can give you names to type in and you will see you will get no information where I will pages and pages. I will be happy to send you links. Almost all information you have is controlled by your government. I have two relatives currently living in Taiwan and they tell me about the censorship in China. A Chinese friend of theirs was arrested and put into jail because of his computer blog three months ago and they have not heard from him since.
I have seen Mr. Moore's 9/11 and even he now admits it's not all correct, although I believe much of it is. All governments have secrets, the difference is Americans can pursue the truth without fear of death. We can say and print what we believe, right or wrong.
I do not believe you live in a fairy tale 21cnren, but I do believe you do not have access to the same information that democratic countries do. I have great respect for the intelligence of the Chinese people and I hope one day they will (peacefully) stop their government from treating them like children. I hope the Chinese people will see they are being offered the worst of America in capitalism and the worst of Russia in fascist Communism.
I would suggest you read the book Mao: : The Unknown Story
by Jung Chang & Jon Halliday. There is a Chinese translation. It is written by world respected historians. However, you are not allowed to read this book because your government is afraid of it and has banned it. Here is the Amazon link:
Mao: The Unknown Story
My mother will be in China in about 4 weeks, perhaps you can recommend what she should see while there. You are also welcome to challenge anything in my posts that you feel are wrong.
"Mao: The Unknown Story" is very famous in both China mainland and Taiwan,of course,as a "herstory"(not history) book of Jung Chang.In this book,she made herself a novelist rather than a historian.She and her husband are respected historians of WEST,not of world.Even many western chinese,of which lots are dissenters from China mainland,regard the book as an extreme and easygoing work.
It's very interesting that in an essay of Jung Chang's brother who is charged with the publication of this book,he argued that history books should be written not only depending on existent evidences and documents but also depending on the writter's imagination.So it is suggested that they should make themself novelists.
Here is an eassay about the bugs of the book's 17 most important issues(not minor ones) which are considered abundant in evidences by western press.
The simplify Chinese version:
http://www.chinaelections.org/NewsInfo.asp?NewsID=42629
The English version:
http://www.geocities.com/jinxiaoding
Here is a student union forum of Taiwan talking about Jung Chang.If you know a little Chinese,you will see the major judgment of the book in Chinese group.
http://ck56.com/db/showthread.php?p=1243566
I know little about English literature.But having read the Chinese version of this book,I found it is not of value even to Chinese literature.It does question a lot of the impersonality and purpose of the great respect the western press have given to this book and its authors.
The PRC government have a lot of problems,corruption,peculiar etc.I don't think it means the government treats people as children.Rome was not built in a day,the democracy has the same way.We are also talking about policies and government leaders and often criticize them openly in the street.Unfortunately China has a large territory and a huge population,so government in different region treat people in different attitudes.I heard a lot in CCTV news that some foundational governments or departments from different areas put several journalists into jail,because the journalists reported the reality behind them.I think the prime problem Chinese government faced is China have too many people and many of them are not living very well.Everything goes troubledly in the crowd,especially,when the reform in construction of institutional laws and policies haven't been completed.So it is difficult to give a simple judgment of the PRC government decisions(limited access of internet involved).If your mother came here,she should reside in a village for a long period of time and have a look at the living condition of farmers.They,not the ones in big cities of China,are the majority of Chinese People.
PS. By RSF,62 persons have been put into prison since 7 years ago in PRC.I don't know the concrete reason of each one.But I don't think most of them were put into jail just because of what they said.I receive hundreds of junk mails sent by Falun Gong cult who I think government ought to put them into prison.
PPS. To Joe Nation
I heard that the website of a broadcasting station named Radio Free America settled in Taiwan had been closed by U.S for a long time.(I don't know whether it is ture)
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