what is your IQ?

Oh damn..............I just found another one of the kids. He was a lawyer in Jersey, and died in 2000.

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Hey, Phoenix, Bummer about the classmate. Sorry to hear it.

I was always in "fast classes," so the SPs were nothing unusual for me. The shock came to me when I was in high school. If I wasn't in a honors class, I was in a class with regular kids. A jolt. This is when I started getting lazy. I found that minimal effort could get me good grades. Good enough to get into a decent college. I didn't care about the grades otherwise.

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Roberta wrote:

I was always in "fast classes," so the SPs were nothing unusual for me. The shock came to me when I was in high school. If I wasn't in a honors class, I was in a class with regular kids. A jolt. This is when I started getting lazy. I found that minimal effort could get me good grades. Good enough to get into a decent college. I didn't care about the grades otherwise.

This is exactly how I am now. I'm bringing my grades up slowly, though. My mom says I am capable of all high A's, when right now I have A's and B's.

I'm just lazy. The classes that I have interest in, I make great grades in. But the classes I don't, I need to work on.

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bawb, You're describing exactly the way I was in school. Great marks in classes that interested me. Not so great grades in the others.

It was a bad habit I got into. I'm sorry now that I didn't develop more discipline then. It would have paid off later.

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I spent a considerable amount of time doing an online IQ test, only receive an email asking me to pay twelve dollars to see the results.

I have since gone off IQ tests.

I know my IQ is quite high. How high I do not know. I have done a paper IQ test, but the results were for the examinators' eyes, not mine. I got one of the top two scholarships out of 150+ applicants, and rumor has it that my marks were better than the other scholarship winner's, although there was also an English and Maths paper.

IQ tests do not take into account social intelligence, emotional intelligence, philosophical intelligence and many others, so I do not have a great desire to find out what my score is. I suppose the other part of the story is that I'm scared.

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Haven't done one of them in ages...
Used to tell me I was somewhere between 130 and 140.

I never believed it, though!
Have an ex-colleague, who tells me I am internally blonde...

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aperson wrote:

IQ tests do not take into account social intelligence, emotional intelligence, philosophical intelligence and many others, so I do not have a great desire to find out what my score is. I suppose the other part of the story is that I'm scared.

No, they don't, but they DO measure the kinds of intellectual skills that are needed to succeed in higher education, and the professions. I think that I.Q. tests have gotten a "bum rap" in the last few decades. There is a lot of criticism that these tests do not take cultural differences into account. Maybe they don't. But is those kinds of skills that the tests DO measure, that can predict, with imperfect but reasonable enough certainty, which kids will do well in certain areas of endeavor.

For instance, when I was going back to college, originally I was studying school counselling (until I realized that I was not too fond of kids ). I was doing an internship at a high school. Apparently there was a scholarship for a minority that was given to one of the girls whom I knew. She was an absolute darling. She also had an I.Q. of 80.

I found out that the reason that she was chosen was that she had assumed a leadership role in her community, and it was thought that she would be a good example for the other kids in her area. I was horrified.

IMO, that young lady was being set up for failure. Instead of steering her towards a career in which she could succeed, she was being dropped into a mileau that was above her head, where she was doomed to fail. I sometimes wonder whatever happened to that girl.

Although motivation, and the desire to succeed, can overcome a lack of intellectual acuity, no amount of wanting to accomplish something can overcome a severe lack of intellectual ability.

aperson- What is it are you scared of?

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Roberta wrote:

When I was in school, NYC had things called SP classes (special progress). Those students going into those classes would skip the eighth grade. The minimum IQ requirement for the class was 130. All students were tested, and all scores were made known. A terrible idea. We were the wrong age to know this kind of stuff. Pity the poor, stupid, moron jerk in the SP class who scored a pathetically marginal 130.

...and then there was me. My sister and my brother both had success with the SP program in junior high (and also were able to do well in honors courses in high school). Ellie had a 3 year SP program, slightly above the standard educational run. She had been skipped in the second grade over to the third during the first weeks of the school year (you'll realize my reason for mentioning this in the coming paragraphs).

Frank made it into the 2 year SP and then half way through senior year in high school with a top level standing (the transcript in term 7 showed him ranking as #7 out of 581 students) he quit! Eventually he went for the G.E.D. and made it through 3 years of college...when he quit (notice a pattern here?).

As for me, I was strangely excluded from the 2 year group. They claimed one of the reasons was my age. Some fool had decided children born after August 31 were too young to handle the responsibilities of the 2 year program. The solution was clear (to my parents and others) and I was sent back up to Rutland where I was absorbed into mainstream education without the fancy schmancy labels. A few years later I returned to the big city and after an uneventful term at Charles Evans Hughes (over on 18th Street) I was shipped to Satan's Land (Staten Island) and for some unknown reason was shoved into honors classes which I was ill prepared for. I was out of those by the end of the following year.

Don't have the slightest idea what my I.Q. was then or is now. Doesn't seem to matter now.

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Sturgis, I was in a special fourth grade class that was supposed to skip the fifth grade. School administrators decided several months into the school year that people born after a certain date would be too young for high school, assuming of course that we made the SPs. So those of us with birthdays toward the end of the calendar year were extricated from our smart-ass classes and put in with the general population. I was upset at the time, but if I had skipped and made the SPs, I would have been too young. As it was, I graduated college at the age of twenty.

And you're right. In fact, none of this makes any difference now.

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Roberta wrote:

And you're right. In fact, none of this makes any difference now.

I dunno about that. I am happy that I had some "reserve", so that now that my mind is slowly turning to Jell-O, I am still doing ok!

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aperson wrote:

I spent a considerable amount of time doing an online IQ test, only receive an email asking me to pay twelve dollars to see the results.

If you send them $12, then your IQ isn't very high. :wink:

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75, I credit my interactions and development here on A2K with this improvement.

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Phoenix32890 wrote:

Roberta wrote:
And you're right. In fact, none of this makes any difference now.

I dunno about that. I am happy that I had some "reserve", so that now that my mind is slowly turning to Jell-O, I am still doing ok!

Phoenix, I meant that the school issues really don't make any difference now. Being smart always makes a difference, I think. I said somewhere earlier in this thread that IQ points were dropping out of my head like dandruff off a dry scalp. I'm not panicking yet for exactly the reason you suggest. I've got a few to spare. But I know that my abilities aren't what they used to be. Slower for one thing.

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A simple IQ test score isn't going to tell you much of anything about how well someone will do in life.

The International High IQ Societysociety says its test deals with six categories; verbal analogies, math, factual knowledge, memory, sequential reasoning and analogical reasoning. Someone that scores high in one of the categories and low in the other 5 is going to have a lower score than someone that scores above average in all categories. A CPA could be very good with an IQ of 80 if he scored over 110 in math and memory but low in all the other categories. He would probably be better than someone that scored 80 on memory and math but had an IQ of 130 based on the other categories.

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Bi-Polar Bear wrote:

75, I credit my interactions and development here on A2K with this improvement.

If the male/female relationship (memory, factual knowledge, reasoning) was part of the test we know you would be off the charts Bear.
:wink:

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parados wrote:

A simple IQ test score isn't going to tell you much of anything about how well someone will do in life.

You are correct. An IQ test is simply a gross measurement of potential ability. Any young person who is in a quandry about the road he needs to take in life should take a battery of tests.

These tests would include I.Q., aptitude, interest, and personality tests. In the hands of a good psychologist who would interpret the scores, the young person would get a realistic idea about the kind of career that would make him happiest, and where he would be most successful.

Roberta- You are right that these tests don't matter once the young person is no longer in school. At best, the paper and pencil tests, given to groups of students, are gross measures. To really understand the scope of a person's intelligence, the student needs to have an IQ test that is given one on one by a psychologist.

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Phoenix, I had both kinds of tests. The difference is range was astonishing. When I got the lower score on the school test, was I having a bad day? Was I nervous about taking the test? Quien sabe?

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Roberta wrote:

Phoenix, I had both kinds of tests. The difference is range was astonishing. When I got the lower score on the school test, was I having a bad day? Was I nervous about taking the test? Quien sabe?

Bad days and test anxiety is another variable. Also, as I have said, paper and pencil tests are gross measures. My son had certain problems in school, in terms of his learning, but no one ever made a fuss about it. He scored a little above average on his IQ test.

When he was in H.S. his guidance counselor was out on disability. She was replaced by a school psychologist, who called me to school. She said that she noticed something peculiar. He was doing much better than his IQ score would indicate. His achievement scores on standardized tests were much higher than would have been expected. She requested that I take him for a battery of tests, which I did.

Well...............what an eye opener. Apparently he was way above average in his verbal IQ, but below average in the performance section. The psychologist explained to me that the "scatter" in his scores indicated that he had a learning disability. In those years, the schools were just scratching the surface in terms of understanding learning disability.

I sent him for some retraining, and I think that it helped quite a bit.

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parados wrote:

The International High IQ Societysociety says its test deals with six categories; verbal analogies, math, factual knowledge, memory, sequential reasoning and analogical reasoning.

Phoenix, You seem to be knowledgeable about such matters. Is "factual knowledge" an accurate measure of intelligence? Do all standard IQ tests measure this?

I'm asking because it seems to me that knowing stuff is not necessarily a sign of intelligence. How you apply the knowledge is where the smarts come in, IMO.

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They tells me My IQ are somthin like 150 now I can join a smart persons club for only a couple thousdands bucks a year!

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