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YOU WOMEN ARE SOOOOO NAUGHTY!

 
 
gustavratzenhofer
 
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Reply Fri 27 Oct, 2006 08:29 pm
Which would be a good thing.
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littlek
 
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Reply Fri 27 Oct, 2006 08:30 pm
gustavratzenhofer wrote:
I think Lord is a probation officer, not a lawyer.


Ah.....
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dlowan
 
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Reply Fri 27 Oct, 2006 10:00 pm
nimh wrote:
I read that book too <grins>

It was very interesting, of course ... <ahem>

What did strike me, unpleasantly, was the dominance of the theme of .. well, domination.

Too many fantasies ranging from "being taken" to close-to or outright rape, as I remember it.

That made me think. Sexual fantasies are the place where any kind of - well, stuff we may have been socialised with but have decided consciously to discard later - for example about gender roles - will survive longest, I guess. Because they're almost completely in the instinctive, instinctual, subconcsious realm. You dont censor your fantasies. (I hope).

But note - My Secret Garden was from 1973. Flower Power time, for sure, but the age of women who had still mostly grown up in the 50s era and its aftermath.

And - here's where you take note, Lord Ellpus and other, errm, avid readers among us men - that's why there is even better news, still.

It's is in the book Nancy Friday authored 18 years later: Women on Top: How Real Life Has Changed Women’s Sexual Fantasies (1991).

Fantasies of a whole new generation of women.

And if you thought the ones in My Secret Garden were daring, then whooaa ... this book shows up a new level yet. Embarrassed

Fun reading <grins> (Instructive reading, too...).

And what (pleasantly) struck me: the general direction of these fantasies was actually notably different. Still all the same fantasies as in the previous book, of course. But fewer examples of the fantasy of total surrender to brutal men. More adventures that they have in mind to actively take us men on, in their turn - for mutual benefit <grin>.

Generally they feel less... burdened, less negative. And more bold.

So read that one too.

Have fun Smile



Very interesting Nimh...heehee..this sort of sociological analysis is fun.


I am told that Mills and Boon novels reflect the same shift, in their own way.
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dadpad
 
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Reply Fri 27 Oct, 2006 10:51 pm
remarkable though it may seem the women I have discussed this book with to a woman say NO i dont want to act out my fantasy nor do I wish you to know all the ins and outs of my particular version of whatever fantasy I may have.
Some comments I recall,
Its a fantasy NOT a reality, Its MY fantasy dont touch it. You cant bring the emotional quality i require, (and) DO NOT try to make it happen.

The above is very important men.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Fri 27 Oct, 2006 11:23 pm
dadpad wrote:
remarkable though it may seem the women I have discussed this book with to a woman say NO i dont want to act out my fantasy nor do I wish you to know all the ins and outs of my particular version of whatever fantasy I may have.
Some comments I recall,
Its a fantasy NOT a reality, Its MY fantasy dont touch it. You cant bring the emotional quality i require, (and) DO NOT try to make it happen.

The above is very important men.


That's interesting.


I guess that fantasies being acted out could be very odd indeed.


But...don't lots of people act out their fantasies, or at least some of them, with each other?
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eoe
 
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Reply Fri 27 Oct, 2006 11:45 pm
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dadpad
 
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Reply Sat 28 Oct, 2006 12:20 am
eoe wrote:

And thats when you start hopping onto the next biggest rollercoaster looking for the thrill.


eoe wrote:

Real life can never live up to the dream.
Your best bet, I think, is to continue to dream and leave it at that.


"What she said" but add, understand the difference between fantasy and reality.
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nimh
 
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Reply Sat 28 Oct, 2006 08:08 am
dadpad wrote:
remarkable though it may seem the women I have discussed this book with to a woman say NO i dont want to act out my fantasy nor do I wish you to know all the ins and outs of my particular version of whatever fantasy I may have.
Some comments I recall,
Its a fantasy NOT a reality, Its MY fantasy dont touch it. You cant bring the emotional quality i require, (and) DO NOT try to make it happen.

The above is very important men.

Hmmmm thats odd.

I agree that there are many fantasies that you would not want to make reality, or try out. Thats not just for women either, there's some of my own that I wouldnt share or want to try out as well.

But there's a bunch of others that made for good, even kind of magical, acting out... pushing the borders together, things you wouldnt have spoken out loud, makes for .. some magic, yes.

Mind you, I guess it takes a special kind of relationship, I think, to be able to do it... I only had one. Sometimes I was a bit taken aback, but there were "never before in my life" moments of gratefulness too..

And there's also been the girlfriend or even ordinary friend or two who got to tell some fantasy or other that were clearly not for trying out in reality, or, respectively (with the ordinary friend or two), not with me - and it does kind of add a frisson of excitement.. and being impressed by the other's wilder-than-expected mind, makes for better, if unrelated, adventurism next time in bed too...

So, I dunno.
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nimh
 
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Reply Sun 29 Oct, 2006 01:35 pm
Well that shut everybody up, apparently... sorry bout that Embarrassed
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Gala
 
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Reply Sun 29 Oct, 2006 04:25 pm
I think the book ought to be required reading for everyone, male and female, in college. It defies all the "isms" and gets down to the nitty-gritty of personal preference. Who cares if those fantasies include violence, getting screwed by a Bull, or the milkman.
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Sun 29 Oct, 2006 04:56 pm
Another very good read concerning a woman's fantasy about degradation BDSM is Story of O by Pauline Réage (the pen name of Anne Desclos) which was written in the mid 50's.
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the prince
 
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Reply Mon 30 Oct, 2006 02:11 am
Why don't we have a thread called "my Secret A2K" where all the A2K gals can post their secret sexual fanatsies???
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littlek
 
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Reply Mon 30 Oct, 2006 09:50 pm
the prince wrote:
Why don't we have a thread called "my Secret A2K" where all the A2K gals can post their secret sexual fanatsies???


Knock yourself out, G!
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