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So ‘real men’ don’t cry any more?

 
 
Reyn
 
Reply Sun 13 Aug, 2006 10:15 pm
This sort of fits into what Montana was saying in her one thread.

If there's any interest in discussing this, I'll comment later.

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So ?'real men' don't cry any more? Give me strength …

Ron Ferguson
August 14 2006

Oh, dear. It seems that the role of real men is changing yet again.

We are apparently at the beginning of what is called the "Menaissance", which features new/old definitions of masculinity. The movement has begun in the US, and we already know that when America sneezes, Britain catches a cold. Menaissance will soon be showing at a pub or street corner near you.

This is a long evolutionary story. Here's the short version. In the early days, man leaves cave to kill wild beast and drag it back to hoose, where perpetually-pregnant bidie-in already has pot bubbling in anticipation. The man's role as hunter-gatherer is clear and unambiguous; no social skills are required. The caveman needs strength and speed, but he is certainly not required to emote or to slap on moisturiser. Despite his repellent breath and steaming oxters, he has a clear role in the procreative process and it does not involve asking, "How was it for you, darling?"

Variations on the "Me Tarzan, you Jane" paradigm lasted well into the twentieth century. When I was growing up, a mildly reconstructed version was still the order of the day. In order to take my place in the proper order of things, I, a skinny, stunted boy who would have been lunch for any wild beast rather than the other way about, embarked on a Charles Atlas course. (Remember the slogan, "Don't let anyone kick sand in your face"?) The exercises and supplements failed to make mountains of out muscular molehills and I remained stubbornly insignificant - until I suddenly expanded and developed the magnificent physique which still causes tourists to gasp in Orkney. I also developed such profusion of body hair - including beard and shoulder-length mane - that even gorillas were afraid. When out walking without clothes, I looked like Birnham wood marching on Dunsinane.

Then came the feminist revolution. Caveman was made redundant. Women, for some reason, no longer wanted to be stuck in the house with wailing weans. They demanded careers, equal pay, and - if they wanted a male around the place at all - a man who didn't spend his time scratching his rear and grunting. It was all very confusing for males. Ever ready to respond to the zeitgeist, I shaved off my beard, cut my hair and put lashings of moisturiser on my face. It worked. You would never guess that I am 102 years old. I became a gentle new man, managing to emote in full sentences. I learned to wash dishes and write poetry.

Then more bewilderment. An edict from the women's collective said that they didn't want men to open doors for them, or to walk next the road to protect against splashes from horse-drawn carriages, or to stand up for them on a bus. These things were deemed to be patronising and demeaning. But just when I had finally managed to repress my conditioned impulses to offer up my bus seat to every living creature equipped with anything remotely resembling a cleavage, a fresh edict was issued just last year saying that, no, most women actually quite liked to have men acting in such old-fashioned, chivalrous ways. Aaargh. Darkened room time.

Next came metrosexuals, with super-gelled hair and androgynous clothes. Orkney doesn't really do metrosexuality - it's something to do with living on farms - but I did my bit by taking off the boiler suit and putting on Calvin Klein boxer shorts when venturing into Kirkwall.

And now, God help us, the Menaissance. What's this all about? Well, it's a reaction against the gentle, concerned male with the moisturiser and the pink sweaters. It's back to machismo manhood and fearsome jumping on your mate's bones. Carnivorous caveman is back. We're talking retrosexual here. A bible of the new movement is Jim Belushi's Real Men Don't Apologise. It's all about unreconstructed masculinity advocated by men (and some women who have tired of emo-boys with Kleenexes) who believe that males have been emasculated in the course of the gender wars. The new/old battle cry is for masculine assertiveness, bravery and a willingness to beard the psychological wild beasts in their lairs. At its best it's about dignity and manliness, at its worst it's about beer bellies, flatulence and "spontaneous" (ie drink-fuelled) bad behaviour. Attractive and exciting, ladies?

Many women will insist that it was ever thus, and that the considerate New Man who cheerfully does the housework and changes nappies was always a mirage, a figment of the male imagination. There is truth in this.

The gender wars are full of wishful thinking and self-deception. In the meantime, I'm heading back to the electronic croft's darkened room, before getting in touch with my inner caveman. Again.

Sometimes it's hard to be a man.
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roger
 
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Reply Sun 13 Aug, 2006 10:31 pm
Of course real men cry - unless we just don't feel like it.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Sun 13 Aug, 2006 10:55 pm
roger wrote:
Of course real men cry - unless we just don't feel like it.


I had a whole bunch crying with laughter at one of my birthday bashes recently.

Does that count?
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Montana
 
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Reply Sun 13 Aug, 2006 11:04 pm
I think everyone needs a good cry every now and again. My ex use to cry every time he saw me cry and that didn't make him any less of a man.
I truly wish men weren't so afraid to cry, because if I didn't have a good cry once in a while, I think I'd explode from all the built up emotions.
The father of my son once told our son that big boys don't cry and I nearly ripped his head off!
The man was 8 years old when his mother died and his father told him not to cry at her funeral, so you'd think the man would know better.

When I cried in front of him, he would either laugh at me or call me a baby.

Real bastard that guy was!

Ok, I'll stop now Laughing
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Sun 13 Aug, 2006 11:06 pm
I'm at this point not so persuaded by a column, and haven't read this one.

Sure, real men cry. By tears and other ways.

Crying isn't the only expression of wailing.

I'd rather see tears than fists.
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roger
 
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Reply Sun 13 Aug, 2006 11:47 pm
It qualifies, dlowan. You're a real man, and a swell guy.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Mon 14 Aug, 2006 12:02 am
I'll read this, back in a bit.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Mon 14 Aug, 2006 12:09 am
OK, I read it fast.

Is that what you think, Reyn? Or just reporting the article? If so, can you comment on the article?






I'm still trying to absorb Dlowan, a woman many of us near revere except we don't do that to each other, as a guy.
What is that all about? Lots of resentment.

Anyone want to talk about it?
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dlowan
 
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Reply Mon 14 Aug, 2006 12:23 am
ossobuco wrote:
OK, I read it fast.

Is that what you think, Reyn? Or just reporting the article? If so, can you comment on the article?






I'm still trying to absorb Dlowan, a woman many of us near revere except we don't do that to each other, as a guy.
What is that all about? Lots of resentment.

Anyone want to talk about it?


I think he meant real woman and a swell person.


Or not.


If not he'd better watch it.

The Rat.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Mon 14 Aug, 2006 12:32 am
How can one tell?

OK, ok, he has a dry sense of humor.

...

backing off, trying to stuff hackles into sack, tripping over them, wondering where the ice cream is.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Mon 14 Aug, 2006 12:39 am
Read article, think it's hilarious.


Conclusion?


Real men laugh, cry, and most of the other things people generally do.

I truly haven't had a male friend who gives a **** about whether he's seen as a "real man" or not for decades. The last one who did specialized in "I'm a sensitive fella not like the rest" as a sleep with me line.

Real men give up their seats to someone old and or frail or someone with a babe in arms and such, just like I do.


Real men wear their hair as they like it, or sometimes as their partner likes it, like I do (actually, I don't really, cos I don't like it really long myself.)

Real men open doors when it makes courteous sense to, just like most polite people do.

If they fancy a woman who wants hectic scrambles to get to the door first so they can open it for her, everything paid for her, and a heap of other "chivalrous" nonsense above and beyond the courtesy and care we should all show for each other, and especially for those we love or want to get into bed with, then it's on their head if they are daft enough to do it.


If we are really absolutely programmed into gender behaviour by evolution and hormones then anything we damned well do is what real men and women do, since our condition is inevitable and inescapable, and nobody has any business telling us what our biology determines us to do since we are, perforce, doing it already. Including, presumably, being homosexual, and liking face cream and hogging remotes if we are guys, and kick starting our vibrators and rolling our own tampons and shopping for shoes if we are women.


Oddly enough, we all seem to want to all sorts of odd things as well as whatever the current context has deemed is womanly or manly for the nonce and whatever our biology actually does more or less determine for us.
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nimh
 
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Reply Mon 14 Aug, 2006 05:18 am
retrosexual, heh

hadnt heard of this new trend yet at all, so must be very new..
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Tico
 
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Reply Mon 14 Aug, 2006 05:40 am
You tell 'em, Rabbit!
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Reyn
 
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Reply Mon 14 Aug, 2006 09:00 am
Nice to see some interest in this topic. Thanks to everyone who has posted so far.

My stance on this article is this:

I'm always puzzled when something like this comes up, like if being a "real man" (I absolutely hate that term) is something that goes in and out of fashion. I think along the same terms as Deb's post a couple or so up.

To me what was always important was just being a decent human being, and all that that entails. Actually, I live my life that way, which is why I'm not religious in the traditional sense of the word.

If anything, I find that I cry much easier now than when I was younger. I see a soppy movie and I get all choked up.

I think one should not be something that you don't feel comfortable being, or because it's the "in" thing to do. Do it because you feel it's the right thing to do.
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Eva
 
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Reply Mon 14 Aug, 2006 09:07 am
Absolutely, Reyn. Do it because it's the right (and considerate) thing to do.

In today's world, that IS chivalry.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Mon 14 Aug, 2006 09:21 am
nimh wrote:
retrosexual, heh

hadnt heard of this new trend yet at all, so must be very new..

This word is setting off my gaydar....
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Reyn
 
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Reply Mon 14 Aug, 2006 12:11 pm
What I always wonder is, how do these silly trends start?

One day, perhaps at a party, someone decides these things and others follow like sheep?
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Mon 14 Aug, 2006 02:49 pm
We also need a better system of keeping the members of the club up-to-date.

I never received the memo that we were allowed to cry in the first place. I've been sobbing alone in the toilet.

Wait... I'm not allowed to say that, now, am I?
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dlowan
 
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Reply Mon 14 Aug, 2006 02:56 pm
DrewDad wrote:
We also need a better system of keeping the members of the club up-to-date.

I never received the memo that we were allowed to cry in the first place. I've been sobbing alone in the toilet.

Wait... I'm not allowed to say that, now, am I?


You just did.
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patiodog
 
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Reply Mon 14 Aug, 2006 03:06 pm
Could you take the sobbing out of the toilet, please? The real men are trying to do some real manly things in there.
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