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Did He Lie?

 
 
Joe Nation
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jan, 2006 01:36 pm
Does it occur to anyone that he wasn't as sick or addicted as he claims either?

I couldn't believe he showed up on Oprah's show for the woodshedding. Did he think she was going to back him up forever?

I'll take your word, Crazielady420, that the books are good reading.

Joe(can't tell an notion from a fact)Nation
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Noddy24
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jan, 2006 01:38 pm
Remember, these days "spin" is both a craft and an art form.

Should publishers really be required to research the truth of manuscripts submitted for publication?

Ordinarily, I'm not in favor of pugnacious young DA's who want to make there bones publically in election years, but I wouldn't be particularly distressed if four or five ambitious candidates filed suit against Frey for obtaining money under false pretenses.

All you'd need is a bookstore in your town....or proof that Amazon had delivered a Frey book in your jurisdiction.
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shewolfnm
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jan, 2006 01:39 pm
His writting IS good. It is a refreshing break from the usual stuff you see.


Honestly , I never thought to question his addiction.
Too many things he describes ARE true for someone who is coming off those kinds of drugs, and some descriptions are so dead on, that you would have to have experienced it to be able to talk about it the way he does.

To contradict my own statement,
you could , very well, just repeat what another addict said and make it your own experience..
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jan, 2006 01:46 pm
My thoughts exactly:
Quote:
To contradict my own statement,
you could , very well, just repeat what another addict said and make it your own experience..


Writers remember what people say and do. They seldom confuse the experiences of others for their own.

Joe(I'm so picky)Nation
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shewolfnm
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jan, 2006 01:48 pm
"Writers remember what people say and do. They seldom confuse the experiences of others for their own."


Bingo.

Im pouting, but I am still going to finish reading the book..

she( you are SO right ) wolf
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shepaints
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jan, 2006 01:48 pm
I don't know anyone could expect a former
addict and alcoholic to come up with a truly accurate recollection of his past.

I didn't enjoy seeing Frey so publicly censured yesterday. I thought he was brave to appear on the show.
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shewolfnm
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jan, 2006 01:50 pm
I missed the show.
What happened?
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jan, 2006 01:50 pm
A digression on a related note, with a tie-in at the end to the topic at hand -

Quote:
Identity of memoirist Nasdijj is disputed
By HILLEL ITALIE | Associated Press
January 25, 2006

NEW YORK -- Doubts were raised about yet another memoirist as the alternative publication LA Weekly reported Wednesday that the award-winning Nasdijj, who says he's of Navajo descent, may be a white writer impersonating an Indian.

Citing documents and interviews with scholars, Indian authors and his acquaintances and colleagues, the magazine alleges that Nasdijj is really named Timothy Barrus, a writer of gay and pornographic literature.

E-mail messages sent to Nasdijj and wife, Tina Giovanni, were not immediately returned. No phone listings were found.

New Mexico Motor Vehicle Division records list a Santa Fe address for vehicles registered to Timothy Barrus and Tina Giovanni. A man who answered the door Wednesday at the address in Hyde Park Estates, northeast of the city, identified himself as their former landlord and said the writer left for North Carolina about four months ago.

Andrew Stuart, his literary agent from 2001 to 2004, told The Associated Press that he would not comment on the allegations, but found the article "well researched and highly persuasive."

"I will be curious to see if Nasdijj produces evidence to the contrary," said Stuart, who split with the author but not over issues related to questions of his identity.

Carol Schneider, a spokeswoman for his most recent publisher, Ballantine, said there had been no questions about his background while he was with the publisher. She said Ballantine ended its relationship with Nasdijj in 2004, citing "issues" unrelated to his background.

The allegations about Nasdijj, winner of a PEN/Beyond Borders award for The Boy and the Dog are Sleeping, a memoir published in 2003, come soon after similar stories about memoirist James Frey and cult writer J.T. Leroy. Frey has acknowledged taking "liberties" with his best-selling A Million Little Pieces. Leroy, a novelist and Hollywood insider with a reportedly hard-luck past, is widely believed to be a kind of literary composite.

Stuart, who never met Nasdijj and communicated primarily through e-mail, said: "You assume the writers are presenting themselves to you as honestly and faithfully as they can."

Nasdijj emerged in 1999 with an article in Esquire about his adopted son, a Navajo named Tommy Nothing Fancy, and the boy's death from fetal alcohol syndrome. The article was a finalist for a National Magazine Award and led to a book contract with Houghton Mifflin, which in 2000 published The Blood Runs Like a River Through My Dreams. In 2004, the book was chosen for a citywide reading club in Salt Lake City.

Two more memoirs followed, published by Ballantine, an imprint of Random House Inc.: The Boy and the Dog Are Sleeping and Geronimo's Bones.

Nasdijj has written that he was born in 1950 on a Navajo reservation in the Southwest, the son of a violent white cowboy and an alcoholic mother who died when he was 7. He lived in migrant camps around the country and suffers from fetal alcohol syndrome. In one interview, he said as a child he was "hungry, raped, beaten, whipped, and forced at every opportunity to work in the fields."

But LA Weekly spoke to numerous people who questioned Nasdijj's background. Navajo scholar Irvin Morris doubted both the authenticity of Nasdijj's work and even the origins of his name. According to the author, "Nasdijj" means "to become again" in the Navajo language. But Morris said there is no such word.

British film producer James Dowaliby dropped a planned adaptation of The Boy after learning of inconsistencies in the book and encountering strong resistance from the author over attempts to fact-check his story.

Sherman Alexie, known for such fiction as Ten Little Indians and Indian Killer, believes Nasdijj simply borrowed his material from Alexie and other writers.

"When I first read his work, I almost thought it was some kind of parody by a famous white writer, because he takes so many things from me and other writers," Alexie told The Associated Press.

LA Weekly produced a number of similarities between Nasdijj and Timothy Barrus. They were born the same year, 1950, are both married to a woman named Tina Giovanni and both have a daughter named Kree.

The magazine quotes friends and acquaintances who remember him as a volatile man obsessed with getting ahead. No writings of Barrus have been published in recent years.

Nasdijj's Web site, http://www.nasdijj.typepad.com, is "under construction," according to the home page.

A Web site that lists e-mail addresses for "Nasdijj" and Tina Giovanni shows a photograph of tepees and begs for donations to support his writing career.

"I wonder how you can even be from a reservation anywhere in this country and not be mad?" the site says. "Books about Native Americans are not books publishers pursue. What they throw at me is contemptuous spit."

Pasatiempo reporter Soledad Santiago contributed to this story.


Busted - the dissection of a dissimulation:

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Navahoax


By MATTHEW FLEISCHER
Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 10:48 pm


So achingly honest it takes your breath away."According to Alexie, however, Mueller was unmoved by their conversation. "Basically his attitude was that it's a great book and the art is more important than the truth."


Meanwhile, getting away from The Indians' campfire and returning to the Freying Pan: More on Frey's Lies
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Noddy24
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jan, 2006 01:50 pm
He wrote the book as fiction.

His agent couldn't find a publisher.

Then the manuscript (without major changes) became a memoir.

Then Frey acquired some more life experience.

Now he's insisting that he's looking forward to 2007 when he'll show the world how well he can write fiction.

Once upon a time we sang, "Turn, turn, turn..." Now the lyric is "Spin, spin, spin."
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shewolfnm
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jan, 2006 02:04 pm
Well, he has a great springboard for some huge sales...
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sozobe
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jan, 2006 02:07 pm
timber's article brings up J.T. Leroy. When I was thinking of starting a topic it was going to be about Frey and Leroy. Evidently Leroy doesn't exist at ALL -- "he" is a figment of "his" "stepmother's" imagination. (As in, there was a woman who wrote this book, a "memoir", in the voice of a young male hustler and appears in the book as the kind, loving stepmother who rescued him from the streets.) His "stepsister" (the actual author's real daughter) made appearances as him, in a wig and dark glasses.

Yoiks!
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kermit
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jan, 2006 02:18 pm
I posted earlier in another book forum b/c I was in the middle of reading this when the story broke. Tell you the truth, it kind of changed my impression so the second half, I couldn't really read it wholeheartedly... I heard My Friend Leonard is also good but I'm kind of put off by his lying...
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jan, 2006 02:19 pm
gustavratzenhofer wrote:
Frey did what hundreds before him have done. Very few authors paint a truthful picture; they all embellish to a certain extent.

...You haven't done that, have you Gus? Please tell me your tales are true!
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shewolfnm
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jan, 2006 02:30 pm
he has a tail?



wait..




he has more then one Shocked ?
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Sat 28 Jan, 2006 06:33 am
Thanks to Timber for posting the information from Ballantine Press. I was about to post the same thing.

The Times's chief book critic, Michiko Kakutani, wrote recently "It is a case about how much value contemporary culture places on the very idea of truth."

So, how much value, in this nation where David Brooks says values matter most, do we put on truth? Or are we listening to the voice which says "You can't handle the truth!!"

Joe(Wait, wait, I know!)Nation
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shepaints
 
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Reply Sat 28 Jan, 2006 02:48 pm
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