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Any Vonnegut-arians out there?

 
 
Piffka
 
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Reply Thu 3 Apr, 2003 10:40 am
Larry, I was thinking the same thing. It has been at least thirty years for me since I read him! I think his book about the Dresden bombing was probably his most significant work.

It is interesting that you saw him in person. (I am not fond of musical adaptaptions and cannot imagine why anyone would consider Cat's Cradle as a good excuse for one.) There was a scandal, I vaguely remember, connected with his family. His children disliking him or something. Do you, does anyone, remember the story?

Msolga -- I think both karass and ice-nine were from Cat's Cradle, but karass was used again in at least one other work. Amazing notions, both of them.
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larry richette
 
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Reply Thu 3 Apr, 2003 11:19 pm
I have learned the hard way not to reread favorite authors from"my salad days, when I was green in judgement" as Shakespeare puts it so well--they rraely seem as good to me now as they did then. I recently was horrified to discover all sorts of faults in my beloved Raymond Chandler when I reread him. So I'm not going to revisit Vonnegut. There are too many writers out there I haven't yet read and too many books by great writers like Dickens that I want to get to to waste time going back to the books I liked as an adolescent. Life is too short for the inevitable disenchantment.
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msolga
 
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Reply Thu 3 Apr, 2003 11:48 pm
I haven't read Vonnegut again for many years either, for the reasons you mentioned, Larry.
I guess what's brought his books to mind again is the current war in Iraq. His attitudes to war & the madness of humans seemed appropriate for these times ... as they were during Vietnam.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Fri 4 Apr, 2003 08:25 am
I find that "Catch 22" is the epitome of war "logic"
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Sofia
 
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Reply Fri 4 Apr, 2003 08:28 am
I am a resigned Yossarian.
Pity.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Fri 4 Apr, 2003 08:30 am
How do you resign as a Yossarian?


Catch 22 - never stops being true...
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Sofia
 
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Reply Fri 4 Apr, 2003 08:42 am
You continue to care, when you know it's all a manipulated illusion. Because the illusion is indeed, a reality.

"Catcha-22" Confused
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dlowan
 
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Reply Fri 4 Apr, 2003 08:57 am
Aha!
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Fri 4 Apr, 2003 09:20 am
when you allude to an illusion does it become an allusion?
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dlowan
 
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Reply Fri 4 Apr, 2003 09:30 am
Hmmmm- very likely.

Ain't English great?
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cobalt
 
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Reply Fri 4 Apr, 2003 10:33 am
[font=large]Recently, an excellent online journal " In These Times", featured an interview with Kurt Vonnegut:
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http://inthesetimes.com/comments.php?id=38_0_4_0_C

By Joel Bleifuss <http://inthesetimes.com/members/profile_view_ind.php?id=8> | 1.27.03

By Joel Bleifuss | 1.27.03

Kurt Vonnegut vs. the !&#*!@

In November, Kurt Vonnegut turned 80. He published his first novel, Player Piano, in 1952 at the age of 29. Since then he has written 13 others, including Slaughterhouse Five, which stands as one of the pre-eminent anti-war novels of the 20th century.

As war against Iraq looms, I asked Vonnegut, a reader and supporter of this magazine, to weigh in. Vonnegut is an American socialist in the tradition of Eugene Victor Debs, a fellow Hoosier whom he likes to quote: "As long as there is a lower class, I am in it. As long as there is a criminal element, I am of it. As long as there is a soul in prison, I am not free."

-Joel Bleifuss



Vonnegut and the &*!#Smile@

My favs: Of all time, The Sirens of Titan, next favs include Welcome to the Monkey House, God Bless You Mr. Rosewater and then follow most other work. I was not a fan of his birthday present to himself book, but on the whole if I had to read one writer over and over, Vonnegut would be a contender for me. BTW, if you are a fan of Sci-Fi, get thee to the Sirens of Titan book pronto!
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cobalt
 
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Reply Fri 4 Apr, 2003 10:40 am
Oh, I forgot to add a personal connection to Vonnegut through my father's unfortunate experience with the real Kilgore Trout....yep, the original one that Vonnegut cited way early on. And then I think Vonnegut realized the guy was trying to capitalize on his "fame" through Vonnegut and tried to distance himself.

Unfortunately, in th episode I vividly remember, the aforesaid Trout got off a bus in Illinois and read through the paper to learn the name of the mayor. Who he called. Who was my father. And proceeded to tell quite a tale of having had an emergency happen on his trip somewhere and was stranded now. So, he hit on a well-educated literary fan of Vonnegut with his call! My father then arranged to bring him by taxi to our home and over the next few days, a bank, a hotel and my father helped out in the "emergency" by guaranteeing his charges until he would wire them the repayment when he got back 'home'. Can you guess what happened?

LOL!
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msolga
 
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Reply Sat 5 Apr, 2003 12:56 am
cobalt wrote:
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In November, Kurt Vonnegut turned 80.

Wow REALLY?!

As war against Iraq looms, I asked Vonnegut, a reader and supporter of this magazine, to weigh in. Vonnegut is an American socialist in the tradition of Eugene Victor Debs, a fellow Hoosier whom he likes to quote: "As long as there is a lower class, I am in it. As long as there is a criminal element, I am of it. As long as there is a soul in prison, I am not free."

Ahhhhh, a man of my heart!

Now can someone tell me what "Hoosier" is? Sounds very interesting.
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cobalt
 
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Reply Sat 5 Apr, 2003 02:45 am
MsOlga - it is just as well I am the one to tell you that Hoosier is not necessarily a term of prestige....lol!

I lived in Indiana a few years and since I was only about 3 miles from the border of Michigan, I prefered the term to be "Michianan". Hoosier has so many speculations that it is just a term that has come to mean a sort of Indiana resident that is rather conservative. This is the place where Debs came from, yes, but also the Studebakers and the Quyales. (Dan, the Potato Man). The KKK was revived again in the 20's in Indiana, and the John Birch Society also fluorished in Indiana.

Now before I am to be hit with lots of tomaters, there are some mighty fine Indiananans we know - one from abuzz is Debacle!
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dlowan
 
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Reply Sat 5 Apr, 2003 02:52 am
So it goes...
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Sat 5 Apr, 2003 07:50 am
some day son, all this will be yours.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Sat 5 Apr, 2003 08:04 am
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maxsdadeo
 
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Reply Sat 5 Apr, 2003 08:27 am
For those who haven't picked up a Vonnegut in years, I HIGHLY RECOMMEND Bagambo Snuff Box.

But then, I have always preferred his short stories to his novels.
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Piffka
 
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Reply Sat 5 Apr, 2003 08:33 am
His novels were mostly short.
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JoanneDorel
 
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Reply Sat 5 Apr, 2003 10:00 am
Bluebeard is my all time favorite Vonnegut read. It is about art painting and the art of writing. He takes the idea of "the writer as priest" not so seriously.

"Time is liquid. One moment is no more important than any other and all moments quickly run away."

- Bluebeard p.82
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