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US House of Representatives Hearings on UFOs

 
 
hightor
 
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Reply Thu 19 Dec, 2024 10:15 am
@edgarblythe,
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...now we are called idiots for believing drones are out there at night.

Not exactly. Yes, there are people operating drones, as you say, and people reporting those drones. The madness is reflected by the fact that suddenly people think they're seeing drones all over the place and mistaking planes, satellites, and stars for unmanned aircraft.
thack45
 
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Reply Thu 19 Dec, 2024 10:18 am
The trick is in discerning when the media are taking us for a ride. No small feat.
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engineer
 
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Reply Thu 19 Dec, 2024 12:05 pm
@Brandon9000,
Brandon9000 wrote:

How would "some unexplained observations" explain a former admiral, the former head of the program to investigate UFOs for the Defense Department, and a former NASA administrator saying that they have an active program to reverse engineer recovered alien equipment and they have alien bodies in their possession, all of which has been quoted earlier in this thread?

The way to solve the question would be for said admiral to take the Congressional committee to see the recovered alien equipment and bodies, but somehow that never happens. If the "military" can testify to the presence of these things in open hearings, they can absolutely produce the evidence to people with the appropriate clearance, right?
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Thu 19 Dec, 2024 12:09 pm
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

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...now we are called idiots for believing drones are out there at night.

Not exactly. Yes, there are people operating drones, as you say, and people reporting those drones. The madness is reflected by the fact that suddenly people think they're seeing drones all over the place and mistaking planes, satellites, and stars for unmanned aircraft.

The FAA has just temporarily Banned drones over large portions of New Jersey, threatening dėadly force over imminent security threats
hightor
 
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Reply Thu 19 Dec, 2024 12:39 pm
@edgarblythe,
Basically the safety ramifications of civilian drones aren't that much different from those of firearms. There's an assumption that people who fly drones (or use firearms) will employ common sense and obey pertinent regulations. Just as there are people who really shouldn't be trusted with firearms there are people who will operate drones in a dangerous manner. A small group of committed troublemakers could easily shut down a major airport. I'm surprised it hasn't happened already.

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USC44809 is the Exception for Limited Recreational Operations of Unmanned Aircraft. The law describes how, when, and where you can fly drones for recreational purposes. Following these rules helps keep people, your drone, and our airspace safe:

1. Fly only for recreational purposes (personal enjoyment).
2. Follow the safety guidelines of an FAA-recognized Community-Based Organization (CBO). Read Advisory Circular 91-57C. It provides more information on how to become an FAA-recognized CBO,
3. Keep your drone within the visual line of sight. Or use a visual observer who is physically next to you and directly communicating with you.
4. Give way to and do not interfere with other aircraft.
5. Fly at or below FAA-authorized altitudes in controlled airspace with prior FAA authorization. Controlled airspace is Class B, C, D, and surface Class E designated for an airport. Get your FAA authorization using LAANC or DroneZone.
6. Fly at or below 400 feet in Class G (uncontrolled) airspace. Note: Flying drones in restricted airspace is not allowed. Before the flight, drone pilots should always check for airspace restrictions. You can do so on the B4UFLY app or the UAS Facility Maps webpage.
7. Take The Recreational UAS Safety Test (TRUST) and carry proof of test passage when flying.
8. Have a current FAA registration. Mark (PDF) your drones on the outside with the registration number. And carry proof of registration when flying. Starting September 16, 2023, registered drones must broadcast Remote ID information. The FAA temporarily delayed enforcement to March 16, 2024. That law is now in place and being enforced.
9. Do not operate your drone in a manner that endangers the safety of the national airspace system. source
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 19 Dec, 2024 12:57 pm
@hightor,
hightor wrote:
Basically the safety ramifications of civilian drones aren't that much different from those of firearms.
In the EU, we've got the "rules and procedures for the operation of unmanned aircraft".
Persons, who want to fly a drone have to prove that have the appropriate knowledge.
Two drone pilot licences are defined in the EU Drone Regulation: the EU Certificate of Competence and the EU Remote Pilot Licence.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Fri 20 Dec, 2024 03:12 am
@engineer,
If the people in charge of these programs wished to allow it, they could show any exhibits to people who had sufficiently high clearance and who ALSO had clearances for the programs in question. I've had these clearances and I had to have both general clearances and specific program clearances.
hightor
 
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Reply Fri 20 Dec, 2024 04:47 am
No Paywall:

Many Videos That Purport to Show Drones in New Jersey Likely Show Planes, Visual Analysis Finds

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Starting in mid-November, a mystery began to take hold in northern New Jersey, when residents of Morris County began posting videos that appeared to show brightly lit flying objects hovering or soaring across the night sky, in some cases above their homes.

Many believed they were drones, and various theories followed, with people claiming they were part of secret government programs or even alien invasions. Within weeks, residents across several states began reporting hundreds of sightings, and posting videos and photographs of their encounters.

To better understand what some New Jersey residents have likely been seeing — as well as how perceptions of objects in the night sky can be distorted — The New York Times mapped local airports, tracked air traffic patterns and, along with aviation experts, analyzed hundreds of videos of aircraft purportedly filmed in or near Morris County in November and December.

The vast majority of the videos appeared to show planes or helicopters, moving across a part of the state that brims with airports. None of the videos analyzed by The Times conclusively showed drones, though in some cases that remains a plausible explanation.

(...)
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 20 Dec, 2024 06:15 am
@hightor,
No matter how many official voices declare there is no drone emergency, conspiracy theories continue to flourish. We’ve been here before.

How Did New Jersey Become Area 52?
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As you may have almost certainly heard, New Jersey has recently become the epicenter of aerial-object obsession, some might say panic. Mysterious drones, or planes, or maybe extraterrestrial spycraft depending on your view, seem to have been lighting up the night sky for the past month, and theories about their purposes and origins abound.

“I think it’s like — they’re, like, trying to see what’s going on with the public,” one woman speculated on television. “It’s almost like a census. I don’t know, is that a weird conspiracy theory?”

It was no weirder than competing theories. Last week Representative Jefferson Van Drew, a Republican congressman whose district includes the Jersey Shore, maintained that the drones were being sent from an “Iranian mother ship” operating off the East Coast. In a four-minute address to his constituents posted on YouTube, he described drones “the size of minivans” that were clearly “not the work of a backyard hobbyist.” The Pentagon finally weighed in; there was no Iranian mother ship parked in the vicinity of Cape May (or anywhere on the Eastern Seaboard).

In an interview with the local Fox station in Philadelphia, Maj. Gen. James Poss, who retired from the Air Force and is now a consultant and intelligence expert, offered his own take. “I would bet you that it is probably what we call — and I apologize for a long, clunky name — electronic vertical takeoff and landing aircraft,” he said. “The popular name for them is flying cars.”

The initial response from federal officials has had a “nothing to see here” quality, which served only to frustrate politicians from both parties, who have been demanding answers. The F.B.I. cautiously acknowledged “without a doubt” that unmanned aircraft had been flying over New Jersey and that this was “irresponsible,” but that explanation seemed insufficient.

On Tuesday, a briefing with a Pentagon press secretary, Maj. Gen. Pat Ryder, began with a discussion of a defense partnership between the United States and Qatar, the importance of a cease-fire in Gaza and the presidential transition, but the attention of the reporters in the room was clearly focused elsewhere. Inevitably, after a question about Syria came another fanciful one: “I know you’re hoping for a drone question,” the reporter said, after several had already been posed, “so let me oblige you.”

General Ryder continued the national effort to calm nerves, pointing out that there are a million drones registered in the United States and that on any given day approximately 8,500 were in flight. A vast majority of them were recreational, but architects, engineers and so on relied on them as well. He offered that a close relative of his was a professional drone operator. While the government was taking these new reports “seriously,” he said, “sometimes when you focus on something, suddenly you notice more.”

Even the Senate majority leader, Chuck Schumer of New York, suggested that the Department of Homeland Security should deploy better drone-detection technology. Citizens with questions about these drones, he argued, “should not have to shake an 8 Ball to get an answer.”

For some, the 8 Ball has consistently come up with a single reply: aliens. On his Instagram page, with its 1.5 million followers Tom DeLonge, guitarist for Blink-182 and well known in certain circles for his U.F.O. enthusiasm, acknowledged that “while we don’t have all the facts yet,” what people are seeing might be alien spacecraft “mimicking” the earth kind. “We do know that U.F.O.s play with ‘mimicry,’ and that has been known for quite some time,” he wrote. “Why? To get us to notice them without a major freak out? Who knows. … ”

Freakouts over large suspiciously lit objects high up in the atmosphere have been with us for decades. In the summer of 1947, an experienced pilot in the Pacific Northwest named Kenneth Arnold reported that he had seen a series of bright, shiny objects flying over Mount Rainier. Hundreds of other sightings followed that summer, and it was at that point that the term “flying saucer” entered the vernacular.

All of this was taking place against the backdrop of the end of World War II and the beginning of the Cold War. Then as now, technology was ascendant and suspicions ran high. This kind of frenzy, in some way, is only to be expected at the dawn of the age of A.I., when the richest man in the world, intent on colonizing Mars, is an important adviser to the incoming president, and the distrust of government, media and corporate interests is exceedingly high.

Greg Eghigian, a professor of history and bioethics at Penn State, has studied the cultural conditions around these kinds of sightings and writes about them in his book, “After the Flying Saucers Came.” The genesis for some of the paranoia stemmed from the secret government programs producing new kinds of technology with catastrophic implications.

“The war brings about this idea that ‘My God, the government is making things that we could not have conceived,” he said. He pointed to other “flaps” and “waves” — what U.F.O. aficionados call these periodic surges in seemingly strange aircraft activity, usually observed over a limited geographic area. They occurred in the 1950s and again in 1973 as Watergate was unfolding, gas prices were soaring and Skylab, the country’s first space station, lifted off that May.

The pattern is virtually always the same. “You get vague, puzzling sightings that have the potential to make people nervous,” Mr. Eghigian said. “You get authorities who chime in who are then unconvincing in their explanations. And you get politicians demanding answers.” Many explanations are “up for grabs,” as he put it, “and that is how it has always played out.”

Early in 1953, the C.I.A. enlisted a professor at Caltech to analyze reports of U.F.O. sightings. He and an assembled team concluded that there were generally explanations for each phenomenon: sunlight, for example, reflecting off a jet. The real problem was not alternative life-forms. No, it was the public and its reflex for mass hysteria.
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engineer
 
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Reply Fri 20 Dec, 2024 07:20 am
@Brandon9000,
Exactly. And the "people in charge" aren't any mystery club. We aren't talking about a James Bond Specter type organization. Supposedly, it is the US military and they work for us. Directly for the President, indirectly for Congress who authorizes their funding. So if all of this is real instead of from "credible sources" and "contacts on the inside", show us the money. No one can ever seem to do that.
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