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Where was Rachel buried.

 
 
Mon 21 Oct, 2024 05:45 pm
Where was Rachel the beloved wife of Israel buried? According to the bible, on the side of the road leading into Bethlehem.

But which BETHLEHEM? The Bethlehem in northern Galilee, or the southern Bethlehem in the land of Judah?
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Ragman
 
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Mon 21 Oct, 2024 09:42 pm
@The Anointed,
Rachel was the wife of Jacob, not Israel.

FWIW, the Bible is not a historically accurate book. Your discussion of it as a historically correct document is futile and misguided.
The Anointed
 
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Mon 21 Oct, 2024 10:36 pm
@Ragman,
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Rachel was the wife of Jacob, not Israel.

FWIW, the Bible is not a historically accurate book. Your discussion of it as a historically correct document is futile and misguided.


You say, the Bible is not a historically accurate book. Your discussion of it as a historically correct document is futile and misguided.

Many people think as you do simply because they have never studied the scriptures and are totally ignorant to the truths revealed therein.

You then go on to say, Rachel was the wife of Jacob, not Israel. You must have read a little bit, to know that Rachel was the wife of Jacob, but not enough and a little knowledge is dangerous.

“He said to him, 'What is your name? ' And he said 'Jacob. ' Then he said, 'Your name shall no longer be called Jacob, but Israel, for you have striven with God and with men, and have prevailed'” (Gen. 32:27-28).
The Anointed
 
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Thu 24 Oct, 2024 05:57 pm
@The Anointed,
How old was Israel when his wife Rachel died in giving birth to his 12th and final biological son.

1 The copy of the words of Benjamin, which he commanded his sons to observe, after he had lived a hundred and twenty-five years. And he kissed them, and said: As Isaac was born to Abraham in his old age, so also was I to Jacob. And since Rachel my mother died in giving me birth, I had no milk; therefore I was suckled by Bilhah her handmaid. For Rachel remained barren for twelve years after she had borne Joseph; and she prayed the Lord with fasting twelve days, and she conceived and bare me. For my father loved Rachel dearly, and prayed that he might see two sons born from her. Therefore was I called Benjamin, that is, a son of days.

According to the Testament of Benjamin, he was born 12 years after the birth of his only full brother Joseph. This might reveal that Benjamin was five years old when Joseph was sold as a slave by his ten half-brothers, but it does not reveal the age of Israel when Benjamin’s birth killed his mother Rachel.

Jacob was ninety when Rachel’s first don ‘Joseph’ was born and in the same year, Jacob returned to the land of his birth where He was renamed ‘Israel.’
There he bought a parcel of land from Hamor the father of Shechem, there he lived for 10 years, the women of Irael socially interacting with the women from the tribe of Hamor

Benjamin was born 12 years after Rachel’s first son ‘Joseph’, when Israel was 102 years old. This was shortly after his 12 year old daughter ‘Dinah’ had been raped by Shechem the son of Hamor and Levi and Simeon had murdered all the males in that tribe. This was after Israel had turned 100 and out of fear of reprisal from the surrounding tribes, was forced to flee north toward Bethlehem where Rachel died.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Sat 26 Oct, 2024 07:18 am
@The Anointed,
As important knowing as how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

The Almighty is not a trivia show game host.
The Anointed
 
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Sat 26 Oct, 2024 03:20 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
But it's handy to know that you're not being guided by ignoramus' who haven't got a clue as what the word of God teaches, don't you think so Bob.

According to the Christians Rachel was buried on the roadside leading into Bethlehem of Judea, should we let them continue to believe the lie.
The Anointed
 
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Sat 26 Oct, 2024 03:39 pm
@The Anointed,
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But it's handy to know that you're not being guided by ignoramus' who haven't got a clue as what the word of God teaches, don't you think so Bob. According to the Christians Rachel was buried on the roadside leading into Bethlehem of Judea, should we let them continue to believe the lie.


Genesis 35: 21; And Israel journeyed, and spread his tent beyond Migdal-Eder.

In the Hebrew language, the name is “Migdal Eder.” Migdal means “tower” and Eder means “flock or fish”. In the Genesis passage, Migdal Eder (also spelled Edar) is referring to the location where Jacob pitched his tent after he buried his wife Rachel who had died in childbirth, on their way to Bethlehem in the land which would later be called Zebulun, which is correct. But according to the Christian belief, Migdal Eder is on the road between Bethlehem and the city of Jerusalem, which is less than 5 miles away.

Ancient Magdala in Migdal Israel, is a small, sleepy town on the northwest shores of the Sea of Galilee, and the Migdal tower, beyond which Jacob pitched his tent was not the towers in the shepherds’ fields of Bethlehem of Judea.

Magdala, known as Migdal in Hebrew (מִגְדָּל: tower) and in the Babylonian Talmud it is known as Magdala Nunayya ( Aramaic: מגדלא נוניה, meaning "Tower of the Fishes"), and is believed to have referred to towers used for drying fish caught in the Sea of Galilee. Magdala was the hometown of Mary Magdalene also known by its Greek name, Taricheae.

Peter and Andrew, the fishermen from Bethsaida on the eastern side of the Jordan in the territory of Herod Philip, later moved their families to Capernaum, the reason for their move is believed to have been that they needed their fish processed (Air dried or salted) and the principle (If not the only) fish factory on the Sea of Galilee was at Magdala in the same territory as Capernaum.

It was in the town of Capernaum that Jesus met Levi [AKA Matthew] a tax collector who was sitting in his office in the customs house (Mark 2:14. and Matthew 9;9.) where fishermen from Bethsaida had to pay a tax in order to bring their catch across the border, and by moving to the territory of Herod Antipas they were able to avoid this tax.

Jesus chose his first four disciples from this area, who were all fishermen, Peter and Andrew, plus his nephews, James and John, the sons of his sister Salome the wife of Zebedee. James the nephew of Jesus, the older of the two disciples by that name should not be confused with James the younger of Mary’s three biological sons who was sired by Alphaeus/Cleophas and who died in 62/69 A.D., whereas James the son of Zebedee and the nephew of Jesus, died at the hands of Herod Agrippa, who himself died in 41- 44 A.D., some 20 years before the death of James the brother of the Lord. The Roman-era ruins at Migdal are administrated by the Catholic Church and not open to the public, but visible through a wrought-iron fence.
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