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Have conservatives ever understood free speech, especially in terms of the 1st Amendment?

 
 
Reply Thu 1 Aug, 2024 06:54 am
United States Constitution wrote:
First Amendment
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

And this has been expanded to cover all levels of government from the US Congress to state legislatures and beyond. Legislating censorship into legal code? That's a clear violation against the First Amendment.

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tsarstepan
 
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Reply Mon 26 Aug, 2024 10:38 am
Not directly 1st Amendment related but in France:
Free speech absolutist, Pavel Durov?
Telegram CEO Pavel Durov arrested in France, reports say
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 26 Aug, 2024 10:56 am
@tsarstepan,
tsarstepan wrote:
Not directly 1st Amendment related but in France:
Free speech absolutist, Pavel Durov?
The French Constitution protects freedom of expression, but not to the same extent as the First Amendment does under U.S. law. France is also bound by the European Convention on Human Rights, article 10 of which also protects freedom of speech while acknowledging the State’s right to limit this freedom in certain circumstances.

Pavel Durov's arrest is based on a search warrant issued by the French Office for Combating Violence Against Minors (Ofmin). The French authorities accuse Telegram, and therefore indirectly its leader, of enabling the distribution of illegal content. Among the charges brought against the platform are serious offences such as fraud, drug trafficking, cyber-harassment and apology for terrorism. The messaging service is also accused of facilitating the distribution of child pornography.

But for the French judiciary, the heart of the problem lies rather in Telegram's lack of cooperation with investigators and the absence of moderation on the platform. Despite repeated requests from the authorities, Telegram never took the necessary measures to prevent criminal use of its service. The lack of moderation, combined with the network's very strict confidentiality policy, which refuses to disclose information about its users' identities, led to this legal escalation. ‘Telegram complies with the laws of the European Union’, the company nevertheless proclaimed on its own channel, describing as “absurd” the idea that its founder could be held responsible for abuses committed by certain users.

Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 26 Aug, 2024 11:26 am
@Walter Hinteler,
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The list is a long one. On 26 August, the Paris public prosecutor's office finally published a press release listing the charges it could level against Pavel Durov, the boss and founder of Telegram, a messaging application and social network based in Dubai. A total of twelve offences are cited in the document.

These include ‘complicity in the possession of an image of a minor of a paedo-pornographic nature’, ‘complicity in the acquisition, transport, possession, offer or transfer of narcotics’, and ‘complicity in organised fraud’.

Lack of restraint and cooperation
In fact, the courts are looking at Telegram for its lack of moderation and action to put an end to drug trafficking on the platform, but also to counter the dissemination of paedophile content.

The judicial investigation is also looking into charges of ‘refusal to communicate, at the request of the authorised authorities, the information or documents required to carry out and use the interceptions authorised by law’. This accusation echoes the many criticisms levelled at Telegram, which regularly refuses to cooperate with the authorities in countries where the application is available, for example to communicate data on offenders.

‘This measure is being taken in the context of a judicial investigation opened on 8 July 2024, following a preliminary investigation on the initiative of the J3 section (fight against cybercrime - JUNALCO) of the Paris public prosecutor's office,’ the statement said.
(Translated) BFMtv report
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engineer
 
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Reply Mon 26 Aug, 2024 01:45 pm
@tsarstepan,
My understanding is that the Telegram case is about obstruction of justice. Durov refused to cooperate with criminal investigations because of his absolutist beliefs.
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tsarstepan
 
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Reply Mon 16 Sep, 2024 12:46 pm
The alleged party of Free Speech aren't really for free speech and never were.
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