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Thu 13 Jun, 2024 09:44 am
The question is whether the mind created nature, the physical, or the mind arose from nature, the physical. What do you think? Whole civilizations have formed around this answer.
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hightor
 
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Thu 13 Jun, 2024 10:47 am
@coluber2001,
Natural chemical and biological processes existed before there were hominids or any other organisms capable of self-awareness, let alone speculative thought. Sure, the mind developed the concept of nature but that's not the same as creating the natural world and directing its evolution. If mind created physical nature, how did elements and energy interact before there was such a thing as mind?
edgarblythe
 
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Thu 13 Jun, 2024 03:51 pm
I have never been able to glean significant meaning from such questions. Not being disrespectful. In a world of Davinces and Picasos, I am a box of eight Crayolas.
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Jasper10
 
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Thu 13 Jun, 2024 11:49 pm
@hightor,
Hightor is guessing or hoping.
coluber2001
 
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Fri 14 Jun, 2024 12:29 am
@hightor,
Exactly. How?
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Jasper10
 
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Fri 14 Jun, 2024 12:41 am
@Jasper10,
According to Hightor natural chemical and biological processes happened by magic from nothing which is precisely in line with the fairytale science he also believes in.

The problem with his philosophy is it’s self defeating.

This is exactly why the theory of relativity failed.It couldn’t come up with a primary energy initiator for its single Big Bang and magic simply didn’t cut it.
coluber2001
 
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Fri 14 Jun, 2024 03:26 am
@Jasper10,
What is a primary energy initiator?
Jasper10
 
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Fri 14 Jun, 2024 04:55 am
@coluber2001,
A force which causes an initial big bang.

I don't do magic myself which present science is forced to adopt because of its starting point philosophy.

How can something come from nothing?

Either your philosophy is wrong or your science is wrong or both.

izzythepush
 
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Fri 14 Jun, 2024 05:49 am
@coluber2001,
You are wasting your time.

All you will get are vague generalisations about magnetism, plusses and minuses coupled with smug superiority.

He views himself as some sort of groundbreaking genius, but he cannot put his ideas into any form of mathematical formula otherthan basic plu and minus.

Not only that, he can't even articulate the basis of his "insights" resorting to smug selfcongratulory pats on the back aboutneeding to be in the right frame of mind.

This monomania is all he has, and it's clearly horseshit.
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Jasper10
 
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Fri 14 Jun, 2024 06:48 am
@Jasper10,
The issue science has at the moment is that can't provide a source for the energy which initiated it's single big bang because it claims that the electromagnetic fields which saturate the cosmos weren't there. So it has to rely on magic for the cause until it can come up with an alternative science. Magic ain't scientific.

Generally accepted science's starting point philosophy is self defeating because something doesn't come from nothing by magic.

The electromagnetic fields were in place prior to any big bangs and big crunches because they are the source for the primary energy which causes the spin of all all objects (Stars/Planets/Holes/Protons/Neutrons/Electrons) in the cosmos which result in N and S poles being produced all of which which interact in the 4 off possible combinations (NN;NS;SN;SS).In other words attractive and repulsive force interactions vibratory balance out rather than cancel out.

These electromagnetic force interactions are the cause of electrical firings within the brain. The whole concept of how the mind/brain works changes if you can only bring yourself to the point whereby you can accept that a single big bang can’t possibly happen by magic from nothing as presently accepted fairytale science claims. Things don’t just happen by magic from nothing.

The LAWS of the cosmos/nature state that you can only VIBRATORY balance equal but opposite electromagnetic force absolutes by the push/pull formula +/-=+/- There is no such thing as a gravitational force. This force is an electromagnetic attractive force. The theory of relativity which is sciences flag ship theory predicted its own failure. It has failed. It got that bit right.

The electro-magnetic fields are the starting point for a science that does not involve relativity/gravity. Energy is conserved in the cosmos not canceled out. This vibratory balancing out of equal but opposite electromagnetic force absolutes is how binary code is produced which the brain and nature processes.

The cosmos can be compressed and stretched due to these balanced equal but opposite electromagnetic force absolutes but it will always find its equilibrium rest point.
izzythepush
 
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Fri 14 Jun, 2024 07:18 am
@coluber2001,
I told you,nothing but vague, fatuous nonsense.

Jasper doesn't understand the science behind the Big Bang, so he mocks it.
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Jasper10
 
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Fri 14 Jun, 2024 07:34 am
@Jasper10,
According to generally accepted fairytale sciences starting philosophy there was nothing before a big bang. Space/Time didn't exist. So it was impossible for a big bang to happen. Unless you believe in magic of course.

That's what the starting philosophy for this science claims.

That's why it's failed.





izzythepush
 
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Fri 14 Jun, 2024 07:37 am
@Jasper10,
All you are doing is demonstrating your severely limited understanding of scientic principles.

You mock what you don't understand.
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izzythepush
 
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Fri 14 Jun, 2024 07:43 am
@coluber2001,
The concept that elementary particles have consciousness is called Panpsychism.

There is a really good "In our time" with Melvyn Bragg on the subject.

I have started a thread on In Our Time with links.
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Jasper10
 
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Fri 14 Jun, 2024 07:58 am
@Jasper10,
The consciousness experience is affected by and related to equal but opposite electromagnetic force interactions that do not cancel out within the brain but are rather vibratory balanced out as I have explained. This vibratory balancing produces binary logic by the very nature of how these equal but opposite electromagnetic force absolutes are balanced .i.e. +/-=+/- (0/1=0/1).This binary logic produced from vibratory balancing MATTER is the binary code that the brain and nature adopts for processing and communication.







Ragman
 
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Fri 14 Jun, 2024 08:51 am
@Jasper10,
OMG! When will you give it a rest?! This was tedious the first time but 200 x later, it’s ridiculous!
It’s all fatuous empty-headed bushwa!
Jasper10
 
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Fri 14 Jun, 2024 08:58 am
@Ragman,
Why does a sound alternative science that doesn't rely on magic to initiate it bother you so much ?

The theory of relativity predicts its own failure Ragman because it was founded upon a failed starting philosophy.

Why do you still believe in a theory that states that it isn't worth believing in? How does that make any sense at all?





izzythepush
 
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Fri 14 Jun, 2024 10:01 am
@Jasper10,
There's nothing "sound" about your harebrained nonsense.

Name one person who doesn't think you're an idiot, just one.
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