WHICH JOSEPH IS THE REAL FATHER.

Perhaps I should have said, ''Which Joseph is the real biological father of the baby Jesus, Joseph ben Jacob as seen in Matthew 1, or Joseph ben Heli as seen in LUKE 3, 23. [Alexander Helios III].

So glad you clarified that. It makes so much more sense now.

Yes, Matthew 1, reveals that Joseph ben Jacob was the husband of Mary the mother of Jesus, while Luke 3, 23 gives Joseph the son of Heli as the biological father of Jesus.

I am so very sorry for saying that you cut and paste screed, that was very wrong of me.

I now accept that you, and you alone, are responsible for all the tedious mind numbing drivel you post.

Again please accept my apologies.

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In fact, Joseph ben Jacob didn't marry Mary until after she had given birth to her firstborn son.

That's very kind of you.

The answer clearly is Joseph Goebbels.

I thought it was that Joe Christ guy who has the body shop off of Route 127.

Actually, the first born of her three biological sons, there were also daughters, one being Salome the wife of Zebedee and mother of James and John the nephews of Jesus.

James and John, the sons of his sister Salome the wife of Zebedee are two of the twelve disciples of Jesus. James the nephew of Jesus, is the older of the two disciples by that name and he should not be confused with James the younger of Mary’s three biological sons who was sired by Alphaeus AKA Cleophas and had died in 62/69 A.D., whereas James the son of Zebedee and nephew of Jesus, died at the hands of Herod Agrippa, King of Judea 41-44, who himself died in 44 A.D., some 20 years before the death of James the brother of the Lord.

According to the Subject Guide in Young’s Analytical Concordance to the Bible, Cleopas ‘The husband of Mary,’ and Alphaeus the father of James the brother of the Lord, are one and the same person,

And of James the son of Alpheaus, who was the first to sit on the Episcopal throne of the church of the circumcision in Jerusalem, we learn, that he was murdered in 62 AD, at the instigation of one of the same Sadducees that had his brother Jesus murdered, and that James the righteous was succeeded by Simeon of Cleophas.

It was not uncommon for men of Galilee in those days to carry three names, one in Hebrew, one in Greek, and one in Aramaic. Joseph the father of Jesus, was himself sired by a father of renown who was murdered by Herod the Great in 13 BC, and Joseph is a Hebrew name, while Cleophas, a Greek name, which is the Masculine form of Cleopatra, carries the Greek, meaning: “Of a renowned father,” and Alphaeus, is the Aramaic of the same meaning: “Of a renowned father”.

Perhaps this may give a clue as to the biological father of Jesus.

The first women to see the risen Jesus, were his mother Mary the wife of Cleophas, his sister Salome the wife of Zebedee and Mary Magdalene. The first men to see him were Cleophas and his half-brother Simeon as they were walking to Emmaus.

Although Cleophas and Simon walked and talked with one of the risen body of Christ for some 11 kilometres to the small town of Emmaus, they did not recognise him for who he was, until Simon saw the manner in which he broke the bread. Cleophas and his companion, then returned to Jerusalem, where the disciples, which included Simon Peter and Simon the Patriot, the only two of the twelve disciples by the name Simon, were cowering in a darkened room.

Luke 24: 33; states that there were only 11 disciples present in the room that night, while John 20: 19 to 25; Reveals that the one of the twelve, who was absent that evening when Jesus first appeared to his disciples, was Thomas Didymus Jude another half-brother of Jesus, the one who was called the Twin, although nowhere does the bible say that he was an actual twin or whether he just held a striking resemblance to someone else, perhaps one with who he shared a common grandfather.’

But back to Cleophas, who said to the disciples, who would have opened the door for him, "He has risen, he appeared to Simon," who was of course Simon the son of Cleophas and half-brother to Jesus, and the one who succeeded ‘James the younger’ as the head of the church founded by their brother Jesus.

1 Corinthians 15:5; states that Jesus appeared to Cephas first, and then to the Twelve, which appears to contradict the scriptures that state the first males to who Jesus had appeared, were Cleophas and his companion, Simeon.
Did Paul, get it wrong, or did Paul originally say that Jesus appeared to Simon first, and then to the Twelve, and later translators of Paul’s letters, were to misinterpret Paul’s “Simon” to mean Simon Peter, AKA Cephas?

As said previously, it was not uncommon for men of Galilee in those days to carry three names, one Hebrew, one Greek and one Aramaic.
Thomas=Tau’ma, the Aramaic for twin, is also called Didymus, which is the Greek for twin, he is Thomas/twin, Didymus/twin, Jude, the half-brother of Jesus and the son of the carpenter.

Excerpts from “The Acts of Thomas-Wikipedia.”
Acts of Thomas is a series of episodic Acts (Latin passio) that occurred during the evangelistic mission of Judas Thomas ("Judas the Twin") to India. It ends with his martyrdom: he dies pierced with spears, having earned the ire of the monarch Misdaeus (Vasudeva I) because of his conversion of Misdaeus' wives and a relative, Charisius. He was imprisoned while converting Indian followers won through the performing of miracles.

Thomas is often referred to by his name Judas (his full name is Thomas Judas Didymus), since both Thomas and Didymus just mean twin, and several scholars believe that twin is just a description, and not intended as a name. The manuscripts end "The acts of Judas Thomas the apostle are completed, which he did in India, fulfilling the commandment of him that sent him. Unto whom be glory, world without end. Amen.".

A local tradition of eastern Syria identifies the Apostle Jude with Jude Thomas who was called ‘The Twin’ also known as Thomas (Aramaic), Didymus (Greek), and Jude (Hebrew.)

It wasn’t unusual for boys in those days to follow in their father’s trade. Knowing that in ART, Thomas Didymus Jude, the son of Alphaeus/Cleophas/Joseph, is depicted with a, carpenter’s rule and square.

In "The Acts of Thomas, sometimes called by its full name, "The Acts of Judas Thomas," 2nd-3rd century CE, "The Apostles cast lots as to where they should go, and to Thomas, brother to Jesus fell India. Thomas was taken to King Goddophares the ruler of Indo-Pathian Kingdom as an architect and carpenter by Habban.”

Jude, the brother of the Lord according to the flesh, was called the apostle of many names, as he was also called Thaddaeus and Lebbeaus, the Greek and Aramaic words for ‘courageous.’ So Jude the brother of the Lord is the courageous apostle called ‘The Twin,’ and he should not be confused with the apostle whose actual name was ‘Thomas.’

Luke 3:23; (KJV) And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli. The (AS WAS SUPPOSED) in brackets, was a later interpolation by those who would have you believe the false teaching of the so-called virgin birth.

In the different translations of the KJV into Arabic, Afrikaan, Zulu, etc and even some of the more modern English translations, such as the Good News Catholic Study Edition Bible, the words (As was supposed) have been retained, but the brackets are removed, thus by, making those words appear to be the declaration of Luke, while the serious biblical student know that they were not written by Luke, but were a later interpolation and a corruption of the Holy Scriptures, by those Christians, who refuse to accept that Jesus was not a God who became a man, but a man, born of human parents, who was later CHOSEN by the Lord God our saviour ‘The Son of Man,’ as his heir and successor, and who was given divine glory, as revealed in Acts 3: 13; where it is said that the God of our ancestors, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, has given divine glory to his servant Jesus etc.

So, who is this Heli the father of both Joseph and his half-sister Mary the parents of Jesus and his only full brother James the younger?

From “The Ancestors of Jesus in First and Second Century Judea BCE”
By Robert Mock M.D.
December 2007.
Book One
Chapter Two we learn that this young maiden, Miriam, was a child of sorrow. Her father, Heli, a Davidic and Hasmonean prince, called Alexander Helios III, was apparently executed, in the world where many Davidian aspirants, as the “young lions of Judah”, were eliminated by the cruel and tyrannical King Herod the Great., Etc.

A son of the famous Boethus family of seven sons, Mary’s great-great-great grandfather, arrived into Jewish history as one of the giants of the priests of the House of Zadok. The High Priest Hananeel (Ananelus) the Egyptian/Jew was privileged to sacrifice one of the nine red heifers before the temple of Herod was destroyed in 70 AD.

The great grandfather of the biblical Jesus was Yehoshua/Jesus III, who was the high priest in Jerusalem from 36 to 23 BC and is believed to have been murdered at the orders of Herod the Great. The sonless Yehoshua, had three daughters, Joanna, Elizabeth and Anna/Hanna, whose mother was from the tribe of Asher.

Knowing that his Zadokian lineage would become extinct unless his ageing daughters were placed with future husbands according to the Torah, he married them off to chosen husbands.

Joanna, was betrothed to Joachim from the non-royal genetic lineage of David. The second daughter of Yehoshua III, was Elizabeth. This was the Elizabeth, who, at a very advanced age was to become the mother of John the Baptist in 7 BC, a year before the birth of Jesus and some 16 years after the death of her father ‘Yehoshua/Jesus III,’ in 23 BC, and she was betrothed to a Levite priest by the name Zacharias of the priestly course of Abijah.

The young Davidian prince Heli, [Alexander Helios III] the son, or adopted son of Mattathias ben Levi, was chosen by Yehoshua/Jesus III the high priest in Jerusalem, as the candidate to marry his daughter Hanna/Anna.

Jehoshua III, the High Priest until 23 BC, is supposed to have died three years before the birth of his grand-daughter ‘Mary.’ If it was his death that ended his period as high priest in Jerusalem in the year of 23 BC, this would mean that Mary was born in 20 BC, the same year as the birth of Philip the son of Herod and his young Jewess wife, ‘Cleopatra.’

Therefore, Mary would have been 7 years old when her father Heli was murdered in 13 BC, and 14 years old when she gave birth to Jesus, who was born in 6 BC, two years before the death of Herod the Great in 4 BC, making Mary about 47 years old when Jesus, the first of her three biological sons, was crucified.