I look forward to your next instalment.
But frankly we indians are pissed under huge curruption, unemployment and dirty politics on day to day basis.
But we are trying ... fighting ....
An honest average indian finally needs to earn sufficient money that will enable him to live a peaceful life with his family.
BUT INDIANS ARE DAMN OPTIMISTIC, STRUGGLING AND EFFORTLESS.
I think US has anyways not made any great favors to INDIA ever. (despite of the times you mentioned when it was much busy in cold war than helping us out)
If you remember CHINA and PAKISTAN were always been (both not now though) US's favored nations ...
We made Green revolution,
Supercomputer,[/quotes]
so ??
Quote:Missiles,
what good are misslies???
only marxists countries like ussr show off their misslis as a yerdstick of progress.
Quote:Satellites on our own (obviously with help from USSR ....ONLY country who supported technologies to INDIA then)
wrong.
usa helped us too.
course usa's technical help would be costlier than the eastern bloc's and still is.
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Atleast we are Self sufficient and productive now.
big deal !!
had the socialist marxist lobotomised congress family reign and their alied corruption and liscence raj, not plagued india for 40 years, we would have been self sufficient 30 years ago.
we became self sufficient, and productive after 1990, when we finally chucked commie ideology and became like a japan or usa.
you are one confused person !!
you keep saying gandhi was effective in throwing the poms out just to have the moral high ground.
you keep saying usa didnt help india, just cos you dont want to come across as a capitalist.
you come up with canards like "usa is friends wilth china", just to show how much of india's enemy they are !!!
man where do you pull out such arguements from ???
the little idiotic book ???
listen.
we have been done by 3 factors.
islam (militarily for 700 years)
poms (economically - suched hollow for 200 years)
socialist attitude (by the damned nehru-gandhi family's reign on india)
and we have come back for of 3 things.
our resilience and ego.
policies since 1990 which made good use of our immense natural and human resource.
india's umbillical attachment to education and stuff like that.
i read the intro alap but I am not impressed. of course i know all those things as I am an Indian. but to call India great because of its diversity...because we have deserts and mountains, and such things...what are you talking man...
what makes a country great - that is a very subjective issue. no country has an uptopian society and will never have. as for the people, humans - regardless of their race, nationality etc. have the same nature.
if you are into comparing, of course the yardstick these days would be US...why- because it is a big, powerful, rich country. but the americans -are they any different from indians or any other people - may be not so much.
you say india stands tall in the economic status - i dont buy that. indian is doing good and it is emerging, but one needs to look at the infrastructure in india and it still has a long way to go.
i think Nationalistic feelings or fervor have been cause of trouble, wars, and what not ....very much like religion. i hope someday people can start being proud of themselves without looking down at others. so don't ask the question 'who else has gotten this or that'...others have got many things that we don't have it.
amos
I had the opportunit to visit India in December 2001. Our tour started in New Delhi, and we stayed at the Taj Palace hotel. Having traveled extensively around this world, I must say that the Taj Palace hotel is one of the best.
As with any country, there are things to be proud of and to be ashamed of. That is a universal truth. Let me provide some perspective as a visitor to India.
India is a country of extremes; great poverty with a growing middle class.
India's history is rich - not only because of its religions, but because there is much to admire; their architecture including the Qutb Minar and the Iron Enigma, Taj Mahal, Samode Palace, Amber Fort, Fatehpur Sikri, Agra Fort, Orchha Fort, and Khajuraho (the places I visited). India also produced Mahatma Gandhi, one of the greatest men to walk this planet. He brought democracy to India by peaceful demonstration.
My physician is from India. She trained at Stanford, and I consider her the best doctor I ever had in my life. When I returned from my vacation in India, I showed her my picture album, and the first thing she recognized was the Taj Palace hotel, because that's where her sister got married. She told me whenever she returns to India, she makes it a point to go have a meal at the Taj Palace Hotel.
Many engineers and scientists in Silicon Valley are Indians from India. We have some fantastic Indian restaurants in our area. However, when I returned from my vacation in India, I told my wife not to prepare curry for 12 months. Many high tech workers from Silicon Valley have started businesses in India, and more young people in India are beginning to earn enough money to enjoy a better standard of living.
We also had the opportunity to have dinner at a middle-class family's home where the father and his four sons and their family lived in one huge mansion. There was trash strewn all over the place around their property, but once inside their fence area, it was imaculate, and their home is beautiful with very nice furniture and luxuries. Their home even has an elevator. What surprised me most was the fact that the four son's total income was a little over US$40,000, and at the time my wife at home earned over $40,000 working three days/week as a nurse. I understand everyting is relative, and the cost of living in Silicon Valley cannot be compared to the cost of living in Jaiper.
We also visited the Rathambore Tiger Sanctuary and Bharatpur Bird Sanctuary. Although we didn't see any tigers, we did see deer, monkeys, crocodiles, and many different birds. I remember seeing a statue of Gandhi when we were traveling through a small town, so I asked the driver to stop so we could take a picture. We also visited Gandhi's mosleum in Delhi in the early evening.
I came home from my visit to India feeling very good about my journey to that fascinating country. If I do visit India again, I'd want to visit the southern section of India.
I have a doctor friend (his parents are from India) in Dar es Salaam in Tanzania. He had some rare disease that could not be diagnosed or treated in Dar es Salaam, so he went to India. We communicate regularly by email.
Our tour director's name in India is Ashoke. He explained his name very clearly. He told us just remember the two trees, ash and oak.
Another good trip.
If you like, I can post some pictures I took in India. I also went to Nepal on this trip, and was able to fly to Mt Everest from Kathmandu. The day was perfect for picture taking.
i think you are a Marxist.
if usa has not helped us then who did ???
the poms ??
but for usa pulling us out (with aid and technical help) of the mess poms left us in, half of us would have been dead long back.
go check your facts before you say usa never helped india !!!
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We made Green revolution,
with american help.
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If you remember CHINA and PAKISTAN were always been (both not now though) US's favored nations ...
lmao !!
have been passed school yet???
INDIA / SUPERCOMPUTER
Source: Voice of America
DATE=3/3/97
TYPE=CORRESPONDENT REPORT
NUMBER=2-210806
BYLINE=MICHAEL DRUDGE
DATELINE=NEW DELHI
CONTENT=
VOICED AT:
INTRO: SUNDAY, INDIA UNVEILED ITS OWN, LOCALLY-BUILT SUPERCOMPUTER. THE UNITED STATES HAD BLOCKED SALE OF AN AMERICAN SUPERCOMPUTER BECAUSE OF FEARS IT WOULD HELP INDIA'S MISSILE AND NUCLEAR PROGRAMS. CORRESPONDENT MICHAEL DRUDGE HAS THIS REPORT.
TEXT: THE INDIAN INSTITUTE OF SCIENCE HAS OFFICIALLY OPENED ITS SUPERCOMPUTER FACILITY IN THE SOUTHERN CITY, BANGALORE, IN A CEREMONY ATTENDED BY PRIME MINISTER H-D DEVE GOWDA.
INDIA BEGAN DEVELOPING THE COMPUTER CENTER IN 1993 AFTER THE UNITED STATES CANCELLED A DEAL FOR INDIA TO BUY AN AMERICAN SUPERCOMPUTER. THE UNITED STATES WAS CONCERNED IT WOULD BE USED FOR MISSILE AND NUCLEAR WEAPONS DEVELOPMENT.
THE CHAIRMAN OF THE INDIAN SUPERCOMPUTER EDUCATION AND RESEARCH CENTER -- N. BALAKRISHNAN -- SAYS THE NEW FACILITY FILLS A BIG VOID. IT HELPS FASTER REASEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT IN AEROSPACE ENGINEERING, MOLECULAR DYNAMICS, BIOTECHNOLOGY, WEATHER. (ALL FIELDS NOW MASTERED BY INDIA IN ASIAN CONTINENT)
you keep saying gandhi was effective in throwing the poms out just to have the moral high ground.
you keep saying usa didnt help india, just cos you dont want to come across as a capitalist.
you come up with canards like "usa is friends with china", just to show how much of india's enemy they are !!!
you are one confused person !!
Yes indeed Visnan, look at him.
When ci praises Gandhi, Brahmin is silent (because Brahmin likes America)
When you make a comment without mentioning Gandhi, Brahmin brings Gandhi into the equation to castigate him and smear you. (because Brahmin doesnt like Gandhi)
When I say anything at all about India, Brahmin flies into a screaming tantrum.
Indeed a strange person.
I never said USA has not helped INDIA at all ... I said it had not done any GREAT favors to INDIA .... it had never been a constant supporter like USSR (what this relationship between INDIA AND USSR has to do with Marxism I still don't get).... During Independence the Bengal Famine caused an estimated four million people death due to hunger that year alone in eastern India. US helped us along with many other countries like ... Australia, China, Germany .. So yes US helped us there . So did we in Katrina and during Sept 11 which essentially show we are capable now.
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see???
usa helped us with LOTS of aid repeatedly and then gave us a fishing rod instead of fish when it helped us pull off the gree revolution.
they pulled us out of a dozen bengal famine style massacres.
and you say they didnt help us greatly??
who helped us set up IIT kanpur eh??
ussr helped us become like them, become more socialistic.
so they screwed us more than helped us.
they did help us by helping to set us most of our psu's especially resource intensive ones like steel plants. but that was against good money. not aid.
germany, australia yes... all against good money.
china halped us oly in your fantasies.
and if you think we did usa a great favour by helping them with a couple of plane loads after katrina and thus are even stevens with them now, then i have nothing to say. you are one ungrateful spineless person.
thankfully you dont speak for the govt of india.
and marxism has everything to do with ussr !!
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We made Green revolution,
with american help.
I bet it was ONLY America . It was UN's few countries like US, Germany, Switzerland and the European Union helped us to remove the starvation in third world countries. Not specifically to INDIA The green revolution in INDIA had been a success story due to the flawless and loyal program conducted sincerely throughout the country by indians.
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the green revolution was not flawless.. loyal?? indians should not be loyal to india??
sure dr. swaminathan had a sterling role to play (and remains to this day one of the most unsung indians, despite being one of Time asian people of the century)...
eu did precious little.
the lions share of the help was from usa.
its funny how you coolly describe india as a "third world country" - after india was always welthier than all and sundry.
one splindid macaulite you are.
tell me you are not marathi, before i lose respect for this most firebrand of all indian peoples !!
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If you remember CHINA and PAKISTAN were always been (both not now though) US's favored nations ...
lmao !!
have been passed school yet???
CHINA was US's favored nation (MFN) during (1869 - 2001 the most frequent).... You go and check the facts. Any simple Google search will reveal you that in US's political Agenda (NTR/MFN Policy) they decide favored nations every year and CHINA and PAKISTAN has been most frequent.... But what a pity the same 2 FRIENDS have betrayed America now.
PAKISTAN supported TERRORISM (a biggest headache for every indian and to the economy of india) is flourished under US's shelter. Now when it (terrorism) attacked back its master, America declared a global war against Terrorism by CONVINIENTLY skipping pakistan from the list where Bin Laden is assumed to be hiding (what a pun!) .... Hippocrates !
You say supercomputers make no use to India! I bet you know anything about technology
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INDIA / SUPERCOMPUTER
Source: Voice of America
DATE=3/3/97
TYPE=CORRESPONDENT REPORT
NUMBER=2-210806
BYLINE=MICHAEL DRUDGE
DATELINE=NEW DELHI
CONTENT=
VOICED AT:
INTRO: SUNDAY, INDIA UNVEILED ITS OWN, LOCALLY-BUILT SUPERCOMPUTER. THE UNITED STATES HAD BLOCKED SALE OF AN AMERICAN SUPERCOMPUTER BECAUSE OF FEARS IT WOULD HELP INDIA'S MISSILE AND NUCLEAR PROGRAMS. CORRESPONDENT MICHAEL DRUDGE HAS THIS REPORT.
TEXT: THE INDIAN INSTITUTE OF SCIENCE HAS OFFICIALLY OPENED ITS SUPERCOMPUTER FACILITY IN THE SOUTHERN CITY, BANGALORE, IN A CEREMONY ATTENDED BY PRIME MINISTER H-D DEVE GOWDA.
INDIA BEGAN DEVELOPING THE COMPUTER CENTER IN 1993 AFTER THE UNITED STATES CANCELLED A DEAL FOR INDIA TO BUY AN AMERICAN SUPERCOMPUTER. THE UNITED STATES WAS CONCERNED IT WOULD BE USED FOR MISSILE AND NUCLEAR WEAPONS DEVELOPMENT.
THE CHAIRMAN OF THE INDIAN SUPERCOMPUTER EDUCATION AND RESEARCH CENTER -- N. BALAKRISHNAN -- SAYS THE NEW FACILITY FILLS A BIG VOID. IT HELPS FASTER REASEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT IN AEROSPACE ENGINEERING, MOLECULAR DYNAMICS, BIOTECHNOLOGY, WEATHER. (ALL FIELDS NOW MASTERED BY INDIA IN ASIAN CONTINENT)
. That's America denying us technology due to foolish reasons.
I HAD my answers to ur condemn to Gandhi in my other posts... no need to pull it here. I did not utter anything about Gandhi in my entire post here in this thread. Why you always has to divert things to Gandhi And Nehru without reasons.. are you lack of justification?
US's capitalistic strategy is very well known to me brahmin. I am from a sound Commercial background.
Don't you see the clever business intentions of AMERICA (POMS or any phirangs for that matter) to SELL india warfare and improve upon their economy by igniting INDIA-PAKISTAN relations (they are anyways on fire already.. thanks to US). They had been doing this more than its financial and technical help.
I will never say US is an Enemy to INDIA but cannot say it had been a loyal friends.
It plays world politics and has manipulated India from time to time.
you are one confused person !!