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A Talk On India

 
 
Alap
 
Reply Thu 25 Aug, 2005 10:48 am
Well, you might be thinking why have I picked this topic on screen..and also you might be thinking that I am an Indian.
Answer is simple...of course I am an Indian and there is a high possibility that you too are an Indian.
Dont take that word of mine very strongly because any other national could also view this Talk On India, a Great Country.

Well you might question why India is great!
Answer to it is not easy ...to put it in a proper way not small and quick to answer.

You would be knowing all the stuffs of India ..its location in Asia, near the Indian Ocean and quite a big country etc...
But are all these facts enough for you to say that you know everything about India.
I am afraid the above facts are not sufficient!

When we consider any country they have both the sides of the coin.
Well, one side of the coin show the good deeds of the country and other side represents the downsides.
But one side may outheavy another!

Flashing out on the living standard of Indians ..it would not seem good as majority of the population is around poverty line, cities are not very well developed and many other miseries.

To tell you more precisely India is the only country in the World where you could see all the extremes of any subject.

Taking people into consideration there are poorest of people of the world here and also the richest of the men who sleep in the most splendid palaces which you could ever dream of!
There are slums in India and also supreme roads and Buildings that shall outstand the city of York!

Taking Geography into issue ..Thar desert is the hottest and driest place on Earth and Cherrapunji receives heaviest rain on earth....both these places in India.
World's highest peak, Mount Everest lies in Nepal, Ruled by Indian Laws
and Worlds longest rivers dwell their refuge in India.
India is the only place where the three huge water bodies meet namely Arabian Sea, Indian Ocean, and Bay of Bengal.

There are uncountable facts not convenient to mention everything on this page ...as these facts require books to be filled!

India's mother Religion which is the ancient of all and most lenghty and the most spiritual of all is the Hinduism whose real ancient name is Vedanta.

But as I told you earlier, India is the country where everything and everyone dwells....so today, people of almost all religions live in India.
They are uncountable in number... Hindu, Christians, Muslims, Parsi, Jain, Buddhist etc...

So, that is India with respect to religion ....India is a country which have heart to make people of all religions to live in.....

But that is not all..there are so many languages in India....Hindi, Marathi, Gujarati, Malayalam, Tamil, Assami, Bihari, ....so many....but one language which have not been used in present India and is the most ancient Language ever created on Earth is Sanskrit.

It's quite unfortunate that such a great language is not been used.
There are reasons for that which would make my point obvious.
Sanskrit is, when compared to other languages a tough language ...but to be more truthful, it is an extremely efficient language to communicate rather it is more Scientific Language than any language ever present now.

Dont take my criticizing words as I am not intending to show that....All the languages today are absolutely perfect and excellent and have their supreme role in the development of their society and people.
But why I am stressing on the Sanskrit because I too did not like that language at initial but after learning it made me realize that this language is Absolute. Its not only me but many Reputed scholars and writers for e.g
Karl Marx, Beetoven etc had recoginsed the status of Sanskrit.

Actually the home religion of India is Vedanta which has its 4 Holy Books all written in Sanskrit Language.

Ok..let me pause over here for a moment.....

I want to ask you a question.....
Can you imagine of any such country having countless such diversities which could live peacefully and with good economic development in this present world ...?
Why not?

India is the only country..
But my main solution to the question still is not answered yet...

We know that India is the country of infinite diversities....and also stands in the todays worlds economic rankings....but the BIG question is:

HOW does India remain in its firm position....what is there within the people of India not making them disintegrate...what rule of their spiritual religion stops them from disintegrating....answers to all these Questions would be answered in the second page of my talk on India.


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Prince El
 
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Reply Wed 14 Sep, 2005 02:44 am
aha alap, thanks for the info i have been intrigued by your country since my very childhood though mostly for personal reasons.
i am coming to india very soon- i' ll see for myself what makes her so great
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Lord Ellpus
 
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Reply Wed 14 Sep, 2005 04:25 am
Wow, thanks Alap. I look forward to your next instalment.

We have many, many Indians and descendants of Indians living here in Britain, and they make a rich contribution to our society. I love your sense of spirituality, and admire your amazing history and architecture.

Indian cuisine is very popular over here, and has been for several decades. The Indian sense of humour is priceless, and is proving to be very popular on our TV.

Have you seen the comedy series "Goodness gracious me?". If not, you must try and obtain it on tape or DVD, as it is marvellous.
"The Kumars" is also very good.


Shame about your cricket team at the moment, though.

More instalments, please. I would love to know about your ancient history.
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brahmin
 
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Reply Sat 17 Sep, 2005 01:34 am
Lord Ellpus wrote:
I look forward to your next instalment.


enough already !!
i dont.
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vinsan
 
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Reply Wed 28 Sep, 2005 09:59 am
I live in India and hence I HAVE to love it. Its a matter of my pride & dignity and it has to be for everyone.

But frankly we indians are pissed under huge curruption, unemployment and dirty politics on day to day basis. Mad

But we are trying ... fighting ....

An honest average indian finally needs to earn sufficient money that will enable him to live a peaceful life with his family.

BUT INDIANS ARE DAMN OPTIMISTIC, STRUGGLING AND EFFORTLESS. Smile
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brahmin
 
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Reply Thu 29 Sep, 2005 12:19 am
vinsan wrote:

But frankly we indians are pissed under huge curruption, unemployment and dirty politics on day to day basis. Mad


for that we need to blame the crappy nehru-gandhi family and their crappier policies.
vinsan wrote:

But we are trying ... fighting ....

An honest average indian finally needs to earn sufficient money that will enable him to live a peaceful life with his family.


pv narshima rao (indians bestest p.m.) and dr manmohon singh turned it around. india's economy will grow 50 times its 2000 size by 2050.
vinsan wrote:

BUT INDIANS ARE DAMN OPTIMISTIC, STRUGGLING AND EFFORTLESS. Smile

optimistic yes.
struggling = not the service sector.
effortless= ?? you mean there's lack of effort?? not really... there's lack of co-ordinated and streamlined effort.

i believe if we managed to infuse a heavy dose of technocracy in your democracy - which is not going to serve us well till the average level of education in india rises considerably - then theings will be run a lot more smothly... cos the people at the helm will be qualified people and not some elected halfwit.

have a look at what dr. manmohon singh's appointment as the finance minister did to india - he NEVER won an election yet and nor can. selection is the answer.
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vinsan
 
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Reply Wed 5 Oct, 2005 08:23 am
Indian help to US .. A letter from an old IITan
Dear Friends,

Here is a personal experience, as well as a moment of national pride, which I want to share with you. Hope you find it worth the time you put in reading it :

"In the middle of 1965 India-Pakistan war, US govt - then a close friend of Pakistan - threatened India with stopping food-aid (remember "PL-480"?). For a food deficient India this threat was serious and humiliating. So much so that in the middle of war, Prime Minister (Late) Lal Bahadur Shastri went to Ram Leela Grounds in Delhi and appealed to each Indian to observe one-meal-fast every week to answer the American threat. As a school boy, I joined those millions who responded to Shastri ji's call. I continued the fast even when the war was over and India became self sufficient in food. Hurt deep by the national humiliation suffered at the hands of the US govt, I had vowed to stop my weekly fast only when India starts giving aid to USA.

It took just 40 years. Last week THE day arrived. When Indian ambassador in Washington DC handed over a cheque of US$ 50 million to the US govt, two plane loads of food, medical aid and other relief materials were waiting to fly to the USA. Time to break the fast? With no bad feeling about the USA, and good wishes for the Katrina victims, this humble Indian feels proud of the distance India has covered in 40 years. Let's celebrate a New India!"

- Vijay Kranti.
Dean - IIT Madras
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brahmin
 
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Reply Wed 5 Oct, 2005 08:54 am
well.... if that was an attempt (from you) to let others know that we have done a big favour to usa.. then it was a bad attempt.


but for usa india would have been broken into pieces long back.

had not usa helped us many times in the last 50 years... we would never have recovered from the mess the poms left us in (india was THE poorest country in the world in 1947).... so yes... i do hope that india returns the favours to usa, should such need arise again in future.


poms can go to hell. in 40 years they will be back to loot from india cos all their scavenged wealth will be gone.
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vinsan
 
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Reply Thu 6 Oct, 2005 02:44 am
brahmin...
Brahmin I am not trying to prove anything .... please stop being so much skpetical about everything

I forwarded the letter for every indian logged in this forum to know about the personal experience of an IIT Dean. Everybody has their ways of interpreting it.

You understood it as a BAD attempt to return favor to US ... I think US has anyways not made any great favors to INDIA ever. (despite of the times you mentioned when it was much busy in cold war than helping us out)

If you remember CHINA and PAKISTAN were always been (both not now though) US's favored nations ...

We made Green revolution, Supercomputer, Missiles, Satellites on our own (obviously with help from USSR ....ONLY country who supported technologies to INDIA then)

Atleast we are Self sufficient and productive now.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Thu 6 Oct, 2005 05:26 am
Interesting intro Alap...are you going to write more?
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amos5t
 
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Reply Thu 6 Oct, 2005 08:47 pm
i read the intro alap but I am not impressed. of course i know all those things as I am an Indian. but to call India great because of its diversity...because we have deserts and mountains, and such things...what are you talking man...

what makes a country great - that is a very subjective issue. no country has an uptopian society and will never have. as for the people, humans - regardless of their race, nationality etc. have the same nature.

if you are into comparing, of course the yardstick these days would be US...why- because it is a big, powerful, rich country. but the americans -are they any different from indians or any other people - may be not so much.

you say india stands tall in the economic status - i dont buy that. indian is doing good and it is emerging, but one needs to look at the infrastructure in india and it still has a long way to go.

i think Nationalistic feelings or fervor have been cause of trouble, wars, and what not ....very much like religion. i hope someday people can start being proud of themselves without looking down at others. so don't ask the question 'who else has gotten this or that'...others have got many things that we don't have it.

amos
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 6 Oct, 2005 09:47 pm
I had the opportunit to visit India in December 2001. Our tour started in New Delhi, and we stayed at the Taj Palace hotel. Having traveled extensively around this world, I must say that the Taj Palace hotel is one of the best.

As with any country, there are things to be proud of and to be ashamed of. That is a universal truth. Let me provide some perspective as a visitor to India.

India is a country of extremes; great poverty with a growing middle class. India's history is rich - not only because of its religions, but because there is much to admire; their architecture including the Qutb Minar and the Iron Enigma, Taj Mahal, Samode Palace, Amber Fort, Fatehpur Sikri, Agra Fort, Orchha Fort, and Khajuraho (the places I visited). India also produced Mahatma Gandhi, one of the greatest men to walk this planet. He brought democracy to India by peaceful demonstration.

My physician is from India. She trained at Stanford, and I consider her the best doctor I ever had in my life. When I returned from my vacation in India, I showed her my picture album, and the first thing she recognized was the Taj Palace hotel, because that's where her sister got married. She told me whenever she returns to India, she makes it a point to go have a meal at the Taj Palace Hotel.

Many engineers and scientists in Silicon Valley are Indians from India. We have some fantastic Indian restaurants in our area. However, when I returned from my vacation in India, I told my wife not to prepare curry for 12 months. Many high tech workers from Silicon Valley have started businesses in India, and more young people in India are beginning to earn enough money to enjoy a better standard of living.

We also had the opportunity to have dinner at a middle-class family's home where the father and his four sons and their family lived in one huge mansion. There was trash strewn all over the place around their property, but once inside their fence area, it was imaculate, and their home is beautiful with very nice furniture and luxuries. Their home even has an elevator. What surprised me most was the fact that the four son's total income was a little over US$40,000, and at the time my wife at home earned over $40,000 working three days/week as a nurse. I understand everyting is relative, and the cost of living in Silicon Valley cannot be compared to the cost of living in Jaiper.

We also visited the Rathambore Tiger Sanctuary and Bharatpur Bird Sanctuary. Although we didn't see any tigers, we did see deer, monkeys, crocodiles, and many different birds. I remember seeing a statue of Gandhi when we were traveling through a small town, so I asked the driver to stop so we could take a picture. We also visited Gandhi's mosleum in Delhi in the early evening.

I came home from my visit to India feeling very good about my journey to that fascinating country. If I do visit India again, I'd want to visit the southern section of India.

I have a doctor friend (his parents are from India) in Dar es Salaam in Tanzania. He had some rare disease that could not be diagnosed or treated in Dar es Salaam, so he went to India. We communicate regularly by email.

Our tour director's name in India is Ashoke. He explained his name very clearly. He told us just remember the two trees, ash and oak.

Another good trip.

If you like, I can post some pictures I took in India. I also went to Nepal on this trip, and was able to fly to Mt Everest from Kathmandu. The day was perfect for picture taking.
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brahmin
 
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Reply Thu 6 Oct, 2005 10:57 pm
Re: brahmin...
vinsan wrote:
I think US has anyways not made any great favors to INDIA ever. (despite of the times you mentioned when it was much busy in cold war than helping us out)



i think you are a marxist.

if usa has not helped us then who did ???

the poms ??


but for usa pulling us out (with aid and technical help) of the mess poms left us in, half of us would have been dead long back.

go check your facts before you say usa nevr helped india !!!


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If you remember CHINA and PAKISTAN were always been (both not now though) US's favored nations ...


lmao !!

have been passed school yet???

just cos usa has pakistan for an ally, it means they havent given india financial and humanitarian aid ???

and since when did usa become allies with china !!!
thats just a moronic marxist fantasy you have !!

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We made Green revolution,


with american help.

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Supercomputer,[/quotes]

so ??

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Missiles,


what good are misslies???

only marxists countries like ussr show off their misslis as a yerdstick of progress.

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Satellites on our own (obviously with help from USSR ....ONLY country who supported technologies to INDIA then)


wrong.

usa helped us too.

course usa's technical help would be costlier than the eastern bloc's and still is.

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Atleast we are Self sufficient and productive now.


big deal !!

had the socialist marxist lobotomised congress family reign and their alied corruption and liscence raj, not plagued india for 40 years, we would have been self sufficient 30 years ago.

we became self sufficient, and productive after 1990, when we finally chucked commie ideology and became like a japan or usa.


you are one confused person !!

you keep saying gandhi was effective in throwing the poms out just to have the moral high ground.

you keep saying usa didnt help india, just cos you dont want to come across as a capitalist.

you come up with canards like "usa is friends wilth china", just to show how much of india's enemy they are !!!


man where do you pull out such arguements from ???
the little idiotic book ???


listen.

we have been done by 3 factors.

islam (militarily for 700 years)
poms (economically - suched hollow for 200 years)
socialist attitude (by the damned nehru-gandhi family's reign on india)


and we have come back for of 3 things.


our resilience and ego.
policies since 1990 which made good use of our immense natural and human resource.
india's umbillical attachment to education and stuff like that.
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brahmin
 
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Reply Thu 6 Oct, 2005 11:04 pm
amos5t wrote:
i read the intro alap but I am not impressed. of course i know all those things as I am an Indian. but to call India great because of its diversity...because we have deserts and mountains, and such things...what are you talking man...

what makes a country great - that is a very subjective issue. no country has an uptopian society and will never have. as for the people, humans - regardless of their race, nationality etc. have the same nature.

if you are into comparing, of course the yardstick these days would be US...why- because it is a big, powerful, rich country. but the americans -are they any different from indians or any other people - may be not so much.

you say india stands tall in the economic status - i dont buy that. indian is doing good and it is emerging, but one needs to look at the infrastructure in india and it still has a long way to go.

i think Nationalistic feelings or fervor have been cause of trouble, wars, and what not ....very much like religion. i hope someday people can start being proud of themselves without looking down at others. so don't ask the question 'who else has gotten this or that'...others have got many things that we don't have it.

amos



nice post. cheers !!
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brahmin
 
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Reply Thu 6 Oct, 2005 11:59 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
I had the opportunit to visit India in December 2001. Our tour started in New Delhi, and we stayed at the Taj Palace hotel. Having traveled extensively around this world, I must say that the Taj Palace hotel is one of the best.


& i thought u've never visited india and wanted to invite you !

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As with any country, there are things to be proud of and to be ashamed of. That is a universal truth. Let me provide some perspective as a visitor to India.


spot on.
we have many faults as well.
no point trying to deny those.

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India is a country of extremes; great poverty with a growing middle class.


poverty is not something we knew before the poms came.

we are throught known history one of the orignal first world....25% of world's output till 1700ish and all that.


middle class is growing... but could have grown a lot more... and long back.


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India's history is rich - not only because of its religions, but because there is much to admire; their architecture including the Qutb Minar and the Iron Enigma, Taj Mahal, Samode Palace, Amber Fort, Fatehpur Sikri, Agra Fort, Orchha Fort, and Khajuraho (the places I visited). India also produced Mahatma Gandhi, one of the greatest men to walk this planet. He brought democracy to India by peaceful demonstration.


please visit south india next time.

they have the best of indian archetecture.... also most of south indian monuments have escaped islamic destruction.


gandhi was great... but ineffective in his primary agenda - of freeing india.

in the other things he said (trashing caste system and stressing on cottage industry), he cant be faulted. pls read his autobiopgraphy.
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My physician is from India. She trained at Stanford, and I consider her the best doctor I ever had in my life. When I returned from my vacation in India, I showed her my picture album, and the first thing she recognized was the Taj Palace hotel, because that's where her sister got married. She told me whenever she returns to India, she makes it a point to go have a meal at the Taj Palace Hotel.


yes we do produce a lot of good docs.

medical outsourcing will eb a reality soon.

as an ex-manager you'll appreciate that there are a lot of medical stuff (a treatment involves many kinds of jobs) that can be outsourced.

that will reduce the prohibitive medical costs (especially for stuff insurance doesnt cover like plastic surgery and ivf) in the west and also open up new sectors for india.
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Many engineers and scientists in Silicon Valley are Indians from India. We have some fantastic Indian restaurants in our area. However, when I returned from my vacation in India, I told my wife not to prepare curry for 12 months. Many high tech workers from Silicon Valley have started businesses in India, and more young people in India are beginning to earn enough money to enjoy a better standard of living.


yes.
but all that could have been done 30 years ago.

we tried to emulate the soviets and had soviet kind of results !!

till 1990 that is, when india's best prime minister and best finance minister teamed up to launch india on a capitalistic trajectory.

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We also had the opportunity to have dinner at a middle-class family's home where the father and his four sons and their family lived in one huge mansion. There was trash strewn all over the place around their property, but once inside their fence area, it was imaculate, and their home is beautiful with very nice furniture and luxuries. Their home even has an elevator. What surprised me most was the fact that the four son's total income was a little over US$40,000, and at the time my wife at home earned over $40,000 working three days/week as a nurse. I understand everyting is relative, and the cost of living in Silicon Valley cannot be compared to the cost of living in Jaiper.


yes.

converting rupees into dollars does not give the real picture.

for example its about 50 rupees to the dollar.
but the purchasin power parity is achieved at 10 rupees to the dollar.

so that 40, 000 $ actually provides the standard of 200,000 $.

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We also visited the Rathambore Tiger Sanctuary and Bharatpur Bird Sanctuary. Although we didn't see any tigers, we did see deer, monkeys, crocodiles, and many different birds. I remember seeing a statue of Gandhi when we were traveling through a small town, so I asked the driver to stop so we could take a picture. We also visited Gandhi's mosleum in Delhi in the early evening.


nice.

india's best tiger reserves are in madhya pradesh and bengal (sundarbans.. un world heritage site) though.

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I came home from my visit to India feeling very good about my journey to that fascinating country. If I do visit India again, I'd want to visit the southern section of India.


please do.
south india is better in many ways.. though its hot. so make sure you come in winter.
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I have a doctor friend (his parents are from India) in Dar es Salaam in Tanzania. He had some rare disease that could not be diagnosed or treated in Dar es Salaam, so he went to India. We communicate regularly by email.

Our tour director's name in India is Ashoke. He explained his name very clearly. He told us just remember the two trees, ash and oak.


haha... thats nopt how the name comes and thats not what it means.

ashok was one of india's grestest kings and the guy who exported buddhism to the far east (he turned buddhist after a bloody war with the Kalinga - today's orissa, rulers. google could tell you more)

ashoke means "without sadness".
shoke = sadness or grief.
"a" = negation.

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Another good trip.

If you like, I can post some pictures I took in India. I also went to Nepal on this trip, and was able to fly to Mt Everest from Kathmandu. The day was perfect for picture taking.


wow.

yes please do.

i went to nepal too and though i didnt see everest, i saw the pristine annapurna range (which murice herzog made famous in the west) from pokhra, in nepal.


it was nice reading your post.
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vinsan
 
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Reply Fri 7 Oct, 2005 02:30 am
Please....
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i think you are a Marxist.

if usa has not helped us then who did ???

the poms ??

but for usa pulling us out (with aid and technical help) of the mess poms left us in, half of us would have been dead long back.

go check your facts before you say usa never helped india !!!


You are a very BAD interpreter brahmin....

I never said (can't ever say) POMS helped INDIA

I never said USA has not helped INDIA at all ... I said it had not done any GREAT favors to INDIA .... it had never been a constant supporter like USSR (what this relationship between INDIA AND USSR has to do with Marxism I still don't get).... During Independence the Bengal Famine caused an estimated four million people death due to hunger that year alone in eastern India. US helped us along with many other countries like ... Australia, China, Germany .. So yes US helped us there…. So did we in Katrina and during Sept 11 which essentially show we are capable now.

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We made Green revolution,

with american help.


I bet it was ONLY America…. It was UN's few countries like US, Germany, Switzerland and the European Union helped us to remove the starvation in third world countries. Not specifically to INDIA… The green revolution in INDIA had been a success story due to the flawless and loyal program conducted sincerely throughout the country by indians.

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If you remember CHINA and PAKISTAN were always been (both not now though) US's favored nations ...


lmao !!
have been passed school yet???


CHINA was US's favored nation (MFN) during (1869 - 2001 the most frequent).... You go and check the facts. Any simple Google search will reveal you that … in US's political Agenda (NTR/MFN Policy) they decide favored nations every year and CHINA and PAKISTAN has been most frequent.... But what a pity the same 2 FRIENDS have betrayed America now.

PAKISTAN supported TERRORISM (a biggest headache for every indian and to the economy of india) is flourished under US's shelter. Now when it (terrorism) attacked back its master, America declared a global war against Terrorism by CONVINIENTLY skipping pakistan from the list where Bin Laden is assumed to be hiding (what a pun!) .... Hippocrates !

You say supercomputers make no use to India! I bet you know anything about technology …

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INDIA / SUPERCOMPUTER
Source: Voice of America
DATE=3/3/97
TYPE=CORRESPONDENT REPORT
NUMBER=2-210806
BYLINE=MICHAEL DRUDGE
DATELINE=NEW DELHI
CONTENT=
VOICED AT:
INTRO: SUNDAY, INDIA UNVEILED ITS OWN, LOCALLY-BUILT SUPERCOMPUTER. THE UNITED STATES HAD BLOCKED SALE OF AN AMERICAN SUPERCOMPUTER BECAUSE OF FEARS IT WOULD HELP INDIA'S MISSILE AND NUCLEAR PROGRAMS. CORRESPONDENT MICHAEL DRUDGE HAS THIS REPORT.
TEXT: THE INDIAN INSTITUTE OF SCIENCE HAS OFFICIALLY OPENED ITS SUPERCOMPUTER FACILITY IN THE SOUTHERN CITY, BANGALORE, IN A CEREMONY ATTENDED BY PRIME MINISTER H-D DEVE GOWDA.
INDIA BEGAN DEVELOPING THE COMPUTER CENTER IN 1993 AFTER THE UNITED STATES CANCELLED A DEAL FOR INDIA TO BUY AN AMERICAN SUPERCOMPUTER. THE UNITED STATES WAS CONCERNED IT WOULD BE USED FOR MISSILE AND NUCLEAR WEAPONS DEVELOPMENT.
THE CHAIRMAN OF THE INDIAN SUPERCOMPUTER EDUCATION AND RESEARCH CENTER -- N. BALAKRISHNAN -- SAYS THE NEW FACILITY FILLS A BIG VOID. IT HELPS FASTER REASEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT IN AEROSPACE ENGINEERING, MOLECULAR DYNAMICS, BIOTECHNOLOGY, WEATHER. (ALL FIELDS NOW MASTERED BY INDIA IN ASIAN CONTINENT)


…. That's America denying us technology due to foolish reasons.

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you keep saying gandhi was effective in throwing the poms out just to have the moral high ground.

you keep saying usa didnt help india, just cos you dont want to come across as a capitalist.

you come up with canards like "usa is friends with china", just to show how much of india's enemy they are !!!


I HAD my answers to ur condemn to Gandhi in my other posts... no need to pull it here. I did not utter anything about Gandhi in my entire post here in this thread. Why you always has to divert things to Gandhi And Nehru without reasons.. are you lack of justification?

US's capitalistic strategy is very well known to me brahmin. I am from a sound Commercial background.

Don't you see the clever business intentions of AMERICA (POMS or any phirangs for that matter) to SELL india warfare and improve upon their economy by igniting INDIA-PAKISTAN relations (they are anyways on fire already.. thanks to US). They had been doing this more than its financial and technical help.

I will never say US is an Enemy to INDIA but cannot say it had been a loyal friends. It plays world politics and has manipulated India from time to time.


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you are one confused person !!

You interpret things your way and call me confused! I mean look at this guy.... Rolling Eyes
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Fri 7 Oct, 2005 05:24 am
Yes indeed Visnan, look at him.

When ci praises Gandhi, Brahmin is silent (because Brahmin likes America)

When you make a comment without mentioning Gandhi, Brahmin brings Gandhi into the equation to castigate him and smear you. (because Brahmin doesnt like Gandhi)

When I say anything at all about India, Brahmin flies into a screaming tantrum.

Indeed a strange person.
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vinsan
 
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Reply Fri 7 Oct, 2005 06:32 am
Steve (as 41oo) wrote:
Yes indeed Visnan, look at him.

When ci praises Gandhi, Brahmin is silent (because Brahmin likes America)

When you make a comment without mentioning Gandhi, Brahmin brings Gandhi into the equation to castigate him and smear you. (because Brahmin doesnt like Gandhi)

When I say anything at all about India, Brahmin flies into a screaming tantrum.

Indeed a strange person.


Seriously....
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Reply Fri 7 Oct, 2005 11:19 am
Re: Please....
vinsan wrote:

I never said USA has not helped INDIA at all ... I said it had not done any GREAT favors to INDIA .... it had never been a constant supporter like USSR (what this relationship between INDIA AND USSR has to do with Marxism I still don't get).... During Independence the Bengal Famine caused an estimated four million people death due to hunger that year alone in eastern India. US helped us along with many other countries like ... Australia, China, Germany .. So yes US helped us there…. So did we in Katrina and during Sept 11 which essentially show we are capable now.

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see???

usa helped us with LOTS of aid repeatedly and then gave us a fishing rod instead of fish when it helped us pull off the gree revolution.


they pulled us out of a dozen bengal famine style massacres.

and you say they didnt help us greatly??

who helped us set up IIT kanpur eh??


ussr helped us become like them, become more socialistic.
so they screwed us more than helped us.
they did help us by helping to set us most of our psu's especially resource intensive ones like steel plants. but that was against good money. not aid.


germany, australia yes... all against good money.
china halped us oly in your fantasies.

and if you think we did usa a great favour by helping them with a couple of plane loads after katrina and thus are even stevens with them now, then i have nothing to say. you are one ungrateful spineless person.

thankfully you dont speak for the govt of india.


and marxism has everything to do with ussr !!




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We made Green revolution,

with american help.


I bet it was ONLY America…. It was UN's few countries like US, Germany, Switzerland and the European Union helped us to remove the starvation in third world countries. Not specifically to INDIA… The green revolution in INDIA had been a success story due to the flawless and loyal program conducted sincerely throughout the country by indians.

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the green revolution was not flawless.. loyal?? indians should not be loyal to india??

sure dr. swaminathan had a sterling role to play (and remains to this day one of the most unsung indians, despite being one of Time asian people of the century)...

eu did precious little.
the lions share of the help was from usa.

its funny how you coolly describe india as a "third world country" - after india was always welthier than all and sundry.

one splindid macaulite you are.

tell me you are not marathi, before i lose respect for this most firebrand of all indian peoples !!

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If you remember CHINA and PAKISTAN were always been (both not now though) US's favored nations ...


lmao !!
have been passed school yet???


CHINA was US's favored nation (MFN) during (1869 - 2001 the most frequent).... You go and check the facts. Any simple Google search will reveal you that … in US's political Agenda (NTR/MFN Policy) they decide favored nations every year and CHINA and PAKISTAN has been most frequent.... But what a pity the same 2 FRIENDS have betrayed America now.

PAKISTAN supported TERRORISM (a biggest headache for every indian and to the economy of india) is flourished under US's shelter. Now when it (terrorism) attacked back its master, America declared a global war against Terrorism by CONVINIENTLY skipping pakistan from the list where Bin Laden is assumed to be hiding (what a pun!) .... Hippocrates !



most favoured trade partner and ally are two entirely different things.

the rest of your rant - beggars belief.
man you is such a marxist !!!
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You say supercomputers make no use to India! I bet you know anything about technology …

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INDIA / SUPERCOMPUTER
Source: Voice of America
DATE=3/3/97
TYPE=CORRESPONDENT REPORT
NUMBER=2-210806
BYLINE=MICHAEL DRUDGE
DATELINE=NEW DELHI
CONTENT=
VOICED AT:
INTRO: SUNDAY, INDIA UNVEILED ITS OWN, LOCALLY-BUILT SUPERCOMPUTER. THE UNITED STATES HAD BLOCKED SALE OF AN AMERICAN SUPERCOMPUTER BECAUSE OF FEARS IT WOULD HELP INDIA'S MISSILE AND NUCLEAR PROGRAMS. CORRESPONDENT MICHAEL DRUDGE HAS THIS REPORT.
TEXT: THE INDIAN INSTITUTE OF SCIENCE HAS OFFICIALLY OPENED ITS SUPERCOMPUTER FACILITY IN THE SOUTHERN CITY, BANGALORE, IN A CEREMONY ATTENDED BY PRIME MINISTER H-D DEVE GOWDA.
INDIA BEGAN DEVELOPING THE COMPUTER CENTER IN 1993 AFTER THE UNITED STATES CANCELLED A DEAL FOR INDIA TO BUY AN AMERICAN SUPERCOMPUTER. THE UNITED STATES WAS CONCERNED IT WOULD BE USED FOR MISSILE AND NUCLEAR WEAPONS DEVELOPMENT.
THE CHAIRMAN OF THE INDIAN SUPERCOMPUTER EDUCATION AND RESEARCH CENTER -- N. BALAKRISHNAN -- SAYS THE NEW FACILITY FILLS A BIG VOID. IT HELPS FASTER REASEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT IN AEROSPACE ENGINEERING, MOLECULAR DYNAMICS, BIOTECHNOLOGY, WEATHER. (ALL FIELDS NOW MASTERED BY INDIA IN ASIAN CONTINENT)


…. That's America denying us technology due to foolish reasons.




hahhaha.

so u tacitly admit that usa gives us technology do you !!??
what was that a freudian slip ?? (in the unlikely event you knwo what that is)

and when did i say supercomputers never were of use to india !!??
now in typical marxist style you have even started putting canards in my mouth eh ??


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I HAD my answers to ur condemn to Gandhi in my other posts... no need to pull it here. I did not utter anything about Gandhi in my entire post here in this thread. Why you always has to divert things to Gandhi And Nehru without reasons.. are you lack of justification?


cos they are the two main resons india is a good 50 years behind today (about 15 for gandhi's delaying of independence... and about 35 for nehru's stupid socialistic tactics as also planting his family tree in minisrty and starting liscence raj).

thats why.


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US's capitalistic strategy is very well known to me brahmin. I am from a sound Commercial background.


good. that makes 2 of us.

india is as capitalistic as any other - only that much of our capital was syphoned off by the poms.

india = past usa and future usa.
former ace capitalist and future behamoth capitalist.
whats wrong with being capitalist eh??
its only colonialism thats wrong.


sound as your commercial background may be, i still think you need to pay NIMHANS a visit, cos not the whole of you comes across as sound.

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Don't you see the clever business intentions of AMERICA (POMS or any phirangs for that matter) to SELL india warfare and improve upon their economy by igniting INDIA-PAKISTAN relations (they are anyways on fire already.. thanks to US). They had been doing this more than its financial and technical help.


nope i dont see.

you know precious little of geo-pol.

if usa manages to start a arms race between india and pakistan - it suits us fine.
pakistan cant sustain it economically and will collapse like ussr did. (by 2015 according to some reports)
which is why india buys - to make pakistan buy what they cant afford.

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I will never say US is an Enemy to INDIA but cannot say it had been a loyal friends.


their foreign policy hasnt been very nice yes, but then us foreign policy always was a little cowboy - "shoot first and think later".

economically they have done a lot to clean up the mess poms caused
here.

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It plays world politics and has manipulated India from time to time.


as has india manupulated usa and all and sundry everytime they could.
in foreign policy their are no permanent friends or enemies - just permanent interests.

just a few days back india manupulated france like a puppet on a chain - when we made them agree to support our bid for the un security council permanent seat - on the back of airbus and scorpene (submarine) deals.


i can promise you we do this manupulatuon thing a lot better than we are given credit for. read last weeks op-ed piece called swaminomics in times of india.


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you are one confused person !!

You interpret things your way and call me confused! I mean look at this guy.... Rolling Eyes[/quote]

yes lol !!

we just saw another of your brilliant "intellectual" arguements, get ripped to shreads.

the difference between marxist debaters and normal debaters is that even when they are crucified upside down they dont realise it, let alone admit it.
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Reply Fri 7 Oct, 2005 11:38 am
This is one of the reasons I find Indian architecture so attractive. I had this photo loaded on my computer, but I'll have to scan some others from my photo album to post them, so please be patient.

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