Phoenix,
I think your prediction is way overoptimistic. There is good evidence the at Iraqi's will remain very hostile to the US.
First, CBS had a report this morning about Iraqi's safely in Jordan who supported the Iraqi government against the US invasion. There was a group of men with Jordanian passports (i.e. in safety and outside of the control of Saddam) voluntarily returning to Iraq to fight US troops.
Second, the citizens of the countries around Iraq, namely Syria, Jordan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Turkey are violently opposed to the US invasion. These folks understand who Saddam is and they understand the culture. There is no evidence that the average Iraqi citizen will feel and differently then them.
Third, the fact is we are dropping bombs on their citizens. We are causing massive shortages of food, water and medicine (most of them already blame the US for the embargo). And we are being blamed for the deaths of thousands -- many of which we are responsible for.
Fourth, we have a terrible track record with Iraq and the Middle East in general. You have already mentioned our betrayal of the uprising in the 90's. (BTW it is not clear how many of the Iraqi's supported this uprising).
Remember that Saddam is *our* creation. We gave him weapons, power and support to balance the power of Iran (and the USSR) in the region. The Iraqi people understand hypocrisy.
Fifth, all propaganda aside, we are invaders. You really think that the average Iraqi will applaud the arrival of western troops coming to occupy their nation? It is pure arrogance to force citizens of a proud sovreign nation to accept "liberation".
Phoenix,
I think your prediction is way overoptimistic. There is good evidence the at Iraqi's will remain very hostile to the US.
First, CBS had a report this morning about Iraqi's safely in Jordan who supported the Iraqi government against the US invasion. There was a group of men with Jordanian passports (i.e. in safety and outside of the control of Saddam) voluntarily returning to Iraq to fight US troops.
Second, the citizens of the countries around Iraq, namely Syria, Jordan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Turkey are violently opposed to the US invasion. These folks understand who Saddam is and they understand the culture. There is no evidence that the average Iraqi citizen will feel and differently then them.
Third, the fact is we are dropping bombs on their citizens. We are causing massive shortages of food, water and medicine (most of them already blame the US for the embargo). And we are being blamed for the deaths of thousands -- many of which we are responsible for.
Fourth, we have a terrible track record with Iraq and the Middle East in general. You have already mentioned our betrayal of the uprising in the 90's. (BTW it is not clear how many of the Iraqi's supported this uprising).
Remember that Saddam is *our* creation. We gave him weapons, power and support to balance the power of Iran (and the USSR) in the region. The Iraqi people understand hypocrisy.
Fifth, all propaganda aside, we are invaders. You really think that the average Iraqi will applaud the arrival of western troops coming to occupy their nation? It is pure arrogance to force citizens of a proud sovreign nation to accept "liberation".
Phoenix,
I think your prediction is way overoptimistic. There is good evidence the at Iraqi's will remain very hostile to the US.
First, CBS had a report this morning about Iraqi's safely in Jordan who supported the Iraqi government against the US invasion. There was a group of men with Jordanian passports (i.e. in safety and outside of the control of Saddam) voluntarily returning to Iraq to fight US troops.
Second, the citizens of the countries around Iraq, namely Syria, Jordan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Turkey are violently opposed to the US invasion. These folks understand who Saddam is and they understand the culture. There is no evidence that the average Iraqi citizen will feel and differently then them.
Third, the fact is we are dropping bombs on their citizens. We are causing massive shortages of food, water and medicine (most of them already blame the US for the embargo). And we are being blamed for the deaths of thousands -- many of which we are responsible for.
Fourth, we have a terrible track record with Iraq and the Middle East in general. You have already mentioned our betrayal of the uprising in the 90's. (BTW it is not clear how many of the Iraqi's supported this uprising).
Remember that Saddam is *our* creation. We gave him weapons, power and support to balance the power of Iran (and the USSR) in the region. The Iraqi people understand hypocrisy.
Fifth, all propaganda aside, we are invaders. You really think that the average Iraqi will applaud the arrival of western troops coming to occupy their nation? It is pure arrogance to force citizens of a proud sovreign nation to accept "liberation".
Phoenix,
I think your prediction is way overoptimistic. There is good evidence the at Iraqi's will remain very hostile to the US.
First, CBS had a report this morning about Iraqi's safely in Jordan who supported the Iraqi government against the US invasion. There was a group of men with Jordanian passports (i.e. in safety and outside of the control of Saddam) voluntarily returning to Iraq to fight US troops.
Second, the citizens of the countries around Iraq, namely Syria, Jordan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Turkey are violently opposed to the US invasion. These folks understand who Saddam is and they understand the culture. There is no evidence that the average Iraqi citizen will feel and differently then them.
Third, the fact is we are dropping bombs on their citizens. We are causing massive shortages of food, water and medicine (most of them already blame the US for the embargo). And we are being blamed for the deaths of thousands -- many of which we are responsible for.
Fourth, we have a terrible track record with Iraq and the Middle East in general. You have already mentioned our betrayal of the uprising in the 90's. (BTW it is not clear how many of the Iraqi's supported this uprising).
Remember that Saddam is *our* creation. We gave him weapons, power and support to balance the power of Iran (and the USSR) in the region. The Iraqi people understand hypocrisy.
Fifth, all propaganda aside, we are invaders. You really think that the average Iraqi will applaud the arrival of western troops coming to occupy their nation? It is pure arrogance to force citizens of a proud sovreign nation to accept "liberation".
Boy, you must really feel strongly about that eBrown -- or was your submit button being "liberated?"
Three camels? What stamina! :wink:
About sleeping with camels. IMO, Slappy has invented a new perversion unknown to the Arab/Muslim world. Rural Arab and Afghan teenagers prefer sheep and female donkeys for such a purpose...
dyslexia wrote:the year was 1096: Proud knights in the Crusades would march towards forgiveness of their sins, filled with greed. Bloodshed was worth it, dying was worth it. Marching towards Bagdad with victory in their eyes, they would take anyone who stood in their way of victory. In Bagdad they never stopped killing the Muslims. That was the Crusades of the Middle Ages.
When the knights were attacked in a Crusade they used huge siege weapons. When they actually reached Bagdad however, they waited awhile before attacking to starve their enemy, but it didn't work so they just attacked the Muslims.
Confused??? 1096??? The Seljuk Turkslaid captured Baghdad in 1055
The First Crusade 1097-1099 "The Levant" mostly fought around that side of the Mediterranean. I can find no reference of the crusaders ever laying siege to Baghdad?
In 1258, "The Mongol chief Hulegu, grandson of Genghis Khan, sacks Baghdad, massacring the population and killing the last Abbasid caliph."
Are you sure, that the Crusaders attacked Baghdad?
I am doing nothing to cause these multiple submissions. It seems like everytime someone votes my opinion is being raised again.
Is this a bug?
Mea Culpa!
Look my hands are away from the keybo...
shame Steissd
Your last post is blatant bigotry.
Bigotry? Sounds more like beastiality.
He have good time.
steissd wrote:About sleeping with camels. IMO, Slappy has invented a new perversion unknown to the Arab/Muslim world. Rural Arab and Afghan teenagers prefer sheep and female donkeys for such a purpose...
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And you complain about anti-Semitism and inappropriate stereotyping!!!!
Why does it show "last post" to be other people other than ebrown?
And bigotry? I say it sounds more like "beastiality."
steissd wrote:About sleeping with camels. IMO, Slappy has invented a new perversion unknown to the Arab/Muslim world. Rural Arab and Afghan teenagers prefer sheep and female donkeys for such a purpose...
COMMENT:
And you talk about anti-Semitism and inappropriate stereotyping???!!!
