Healthcare rationing: The problem with public healthcare that no one wants to discuss.

At least they are trying...and are making a better attempt than we are.

What about the other names on that list.

I think we should rely on the medical profession to decide whether a given type of treatment should be funded in a given situation.

I dislike gatekeeping.

I dislike preventing patients from choosing their own doctor.

You may find this PDF helpful when comparing the health care systems that various nations have set up:
https://agus34drajat.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/health-care-systems_efficiency-and-policy-settings.pdf

People in the UK won't be going elsewhere.

If the NHS decides that someone should not receive a given treatment, they will use armed force to prevent them from seeking that treatment elsewhere.

This thread is about health care rationing.

My healthcare (as an American) is close to the best in the world. What a doctor thinks I might need, be it a test just to be sure, or a procedure to eliminate a minor complaint, I get it with no waiting. In addition I get a routine battery of tests just to make sure I am Ok. A while ago I needed minor surgery for a minor bone growth... no problem, no waiting and no questions.

America doesnt have a health care problem for people in the professional classes, and I think the outcomes for well off Americans are truly among the best in the world.

America falls flat on its face with working class Americans. That is the problem.

A national healthcare system will likely hurt people in the professional class. They will have to wait longer, and they will be denied certain prpcedures and tests they took for granted before.

This is not political spin, it is economic reality.

And Linkat's fears are legitimate. Even in wealthy countries with national healthcare you can find stories of people upset by long waits for care or being denied care they believe is necessary.

Let's be honest. Not only is no system perfect, there will always be tradeoffs between one set of needs and another.

Not even Castro with all of his power could change that.

The more we are willing to spend on national health care, the better it will be.

"You get what you pay for."

Wealthy people will NEVER be denied anything. Stop bullshitting.

If you did not want an answer like the one I gave you, perhaps you should not have asked a question like, "I am not here to defend the Amercian system, but ideological claims like this one are nonsense. Name a third world nation that is "handling this problem on a better plane". Give me a third world country and we will compare accessibility to healthcare, infant mortality and life expectancy."

Max’s problem is that he never stops to think before he opens his mouth.

Cuba is just the latest example.

It's interesting that so many Americans are concerned about the cost of universal healthcare - yet don't mind paying for Israel to have it.

That's because rugged toughies like us don't need no steeking medical care. We prefer to die, owing a kings ransom as we do.

Before Ghadafi was rooted out and murdered even his country had free healthcare.

Providing decent health care to Libya didn't make it okay for him to murder hundreds of innocent Americans.

He deserved a worse death than he got. Hopefully there's an afterlife with a Hell waiting for people like him when they die.

My daughter needed to see a doctor after school yesterday. Booked a visit on the national home doctor service. A few hours later, doctor arrived, examined her and wrote a prescription. All covered by our socialized health system. Whatever it is that the right wing American fvckheads think they've got, they can keep it. Wouldn't trade with them for anything.

Thank you, Wilso.