Have American women ever been fatter and more entitled?

Wed 9 Jun, 2021 03:58 pm
I was in Target the other day.

Have you been to a Target store recently? Go there. All the women modeling clothes in the pictures are slovenly, obese, and dumpy. And yet all the men modeling Target's clothes are fit male models.

I guess my questions is what is the message supposed to be here? Are women supposed to be rewarded for being lazy and obese?

Is "fat acceptance" something that only applies to women?

The sad thing, is that this really only hurts women ultimately. When you play a video game on easy mode, you typically don't get to see all the levels of the game. Certain features are only unlockable by playing the game on at least standard difficulty.

If society is telling women that it's OK to be obese, that will result in more women dying of heart disease and diabetes.

Even though this is clearly a double standard against men, men shouldn't get down about this.

If the world treated men with kid gloves and allowed them to always play the game on easy mode, men would never achieve anything important.

When you play the video game on hard mode, you become skilled.

Why do you think that all the great inventions of all time were forged by men?
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Wed 9 Jun, 2021 04:16 pm
First of all, BJ:

Firstly, women have invented plenty of things - see below.

Secondly, you are apparently blind. There are lots of overweight people out there of both genders, and all ages, too.

Thirdly, how old are you? You seem a little juvenile.

Fourthly, why are you focussing/obsessing on fat women?

On May 5, 1809, Mary Kies became the first woman to receive a patent in the United States. (It was for her technique of weaving straw with silk.)

Of course, women inventors existed before this time, but the property laws in many states made it illegal for women to own property on their own. This led some women to apply for patents in their husbands’ names if they decided to apply at all.

As of last year, only 10 percent of U.S. patent holders were women, although women account for half of doctoral degrees in science and engineering. This disparity is due in part to the the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office being more likely to reject patents with women as sole applicants.

Further, when patents sought by women are approved, they are more likely to have added parameters that made the description of the patents far more detailed. These revisions tend to lower the scope of the patent, making it weaker and less valuable.

1. Circular saw
• Inventor: Tabitha Babbitt
• Year / period: 1812

While living in a Shaker community and working as a weaver, Babbitt watched people struggling to cut wood with a pit saw, which required two users and only cut in one direction. Determined to help, she attached a circular blade to her spinning wheel and invented the much more efficient circular saw.

2. Aquarium
• Inventor: Jeanne Villepreux-Power
• Year / period: 1832

A French naturalist, Villepreux-Power was trying to prove that the paper nautilus does not take discarded shells from other organisms, but rather grows its own shell. To observe the creature for an extended period of time and to study marine life, she invented a glass aquarium.

3. Ice cream maker
• Inventor: Nancy Johnson
• Year / period: 1843

Johnson had her priorities straight before freezers were even invented. She created a double-cylinder hand-crank ice cream machine. It could create two flavors that are frozen at the same time but separately.

4. Computer algorithm
• Inventor: Ada Lovelace
• Year / period: 1843

While translating the notes of mathematics professor Charles Babbage for his theoretical invention the analytical engine, Lovelace added her own notes, tripling the original text, and is credited with writing the world's first computer algorithm.

5. Submarine lamp and telescope
• Inventor: Sarah Mather
• Year / period: 1845

Mather's 1845 patent was for her "submarine telescope," an apparatus with a lamp that was attached to a tube, which was then sunk under water. It was used not by underwater vessels, but by people above water attempting to see into the depths to investigate wrecks, damaged ship hulls, and enemy activity during the Civil War.

6. Paper-bag-making machine
• Inventor: Margaret Knight
• Year / period: 1871

After having her invention stolen by a man who claimed that there was no way a woman could have invented such a thing, Knight finally received a patent in 1871 for a machine that could produce square-bottomed paper bags.

7. Dishwasher
• Inventor: Josephine Cochran
• Year / period: 1872

Though other prototypes existed, it took a woman's common sense to create a dishwasher that actually cleaned the dishes. Cochran's design was the first that used water pressure rather than scrubbers to remove debris.

8. Globes
• Inventor: Ellen Fitz
• Year / period: 1875

Fitz was a tutor in Canada when she designed a globe mount that could display the earth's daily rotation in relation to the path of the sun not only by day and night but also throughout the year.

9. Locomotive chimney
• Inventor: Mary Walton
• Year / period: 1879

Passionate about improving urban conditions and air pollution, Walton invented a train chimney system that reduced air pollution by filtering smoke through water, trapping the airborne chemicals and holding them in suspension.

10. System to reduce noise by trains
• Inventor: Mary Walton
• Year / period: 1881

In addition to the pollution-minimizing locomotive chimney, Walton also patented a way to greatly reduce the noise of New York City's elevated railways by insulating the tracks with boxes of sand. The city's Metropolitan Railroad bought the rights almost immediately.

11. Alphabet blocks
• Inventor: Adeline D. T. Whitney
• Year / period: 1882

Whitney, author of many books for people young and old, patented an early version of alphabet blocks that came in various shapes and sizes and could form letters, numbers, and punctuation symbols.

12. Life raft
• Inventor: Maria Beasley
• Year / period: 1882

Though Beasley had already made a fortune on a barrel-hooping machine patent, this serial inventor went on to design an improved life raft with guard rails that was fireproof and foldable for easy storage. Her life rafts were used on the Titanic and saved over 700 lives.

13. Fire escape
• Inventor: Anna Connelly
• Year / period: 1887

Tenement fires were much more deadly before Connelly invented an external metal staircase, the very first fire escape. In addition to saving lives, her invention also precipitated one of the first New York City building codes, which required residential buildings to have a secondary means of escape for emergencies.

14. Ironing board
• Inventor: Sarah Boone
• Year / period: 1892

Though patents for folding ironing boards appeared in the 1860's, Boone's ironing board featured a key difference: It had a narrow, double-sided arm that made it perfect for ironing sleeves without forming creases.

15. Car heater
• Inventor: Margaret A. Wilcox
• Year / period: 1893

Taking advantage of the heat already generated as a byproduct of combustion, Wilcox invented a way to heat cars by channeling air over the engine and into the cab.

16. Medical syringe
• Inventor: Letitia Geer
• Year / period: 1899

For centuries before Greer's invention of a one-handed syringe, medical professionals had been using syringes that required both hands to administer injections.

17. Street sweeper
• Inventor: Florence Parpart
• Year / period: 1900

Parpart’s street sweeper design was not the first, but it was such an improvement on earlier models that within two years of receiving her patent she had contracts all across the United States to manufacture her design.

18. Windshield wiper
• Inventor: Mary Anderson
• Year / period: 1903

After receiving a patent in 1903, Anderson tried to sell her new windshield cleaning device to a manufacturer, who refused, stating that her invention lacked practical value. Her windshield wipers failed to take off before her patent expired and it was 10 years before a similar device became standard on cars.

19. The First Monopoly Game
• Inventor: Elizabeth Magie
• Year / period: 1904

Originally designed to demonstrate the evils of unchecked capitalism, Magie's "The Landlord's Game," was patented in 1904, 30 years before a man patented a very similar game called Monopoly and sold it to Parker Brothers.

20. Retractable dog leash
• Inventor: Mary A. Delaney
• Year / period: 1908

In Delaney's words, her invention of a leash you could shorten at a moment's notice was to prevent dogs from "running on the wrong side of lamp posts or pedestrians, thus causing much annoyance to the owner." Thank you, Mary.

21. Coffee filter
• Inventor: Melitta Benz
• Year / period: 1908

Pour-over coffee fans may be surprised to learn that the company Melitta isn't named after an Italian coffee maker. It's actually named after Melitta Bentz, a German entrepreneur who invented an easy, minimalist way to make coffee by placing it in a filter and pouring water over it.

22. Electric refrigerator
• Inventor: Florence Parpart
• Year / period: 1914

In a time when people were still using ice-boxes, Parpart patented an electric refrigerator that she successfully marketed and improved upon for years.

23. Electric hot water heater
• Inventor: Ida Forbes
• Year / period: 1917

Not much is known about Ida Forbes besides that she patented the first electric hot water heater in a time when most hot water heaters ran on gas.

24. Airplane muffler
• Inventor: El Dorado Jones
• Year / period: 1917

Nicknamed "Iron Woman," El Dorado Jones owned her own metalworking factory where she employed only women over 40. Though she never received the funding to manufacture it, she invented the airplane engine muffler.

25. Central heating
• Inventor: Alice Parker
• Year / period: 1919

Parker's revolutionary design for central heating, though never utilized, was the first that used natural gas, rather than wood, to heat a home.

26. Foot pedal trash can
• Inventor: Lillian Gilbreth
• Year / period: N/A

Gilbreth, an engineer and psychologist, performed exhaustive research on the psychological impact that work spaces have on productivity. Her genius in the area of ergonomics brought us many valuable inventions, including the foot pedal trash can.

27. Microelectrode
• Inventor: Ida Hyde
• Year / period: 1921

The first female researcher at Harvard Medical School, Hyde created one of the earliest models of an intracellular micropipette electrode, which allowed her to stimulate and monitor a cell without disturbing the cell wall. This technology is still widely used in science laboratories.

28. Low-reflection glass
• Inventor: Katharine Blodgett
• Year / period: 1935

Before Blodgett's revolutionary non-reflective glass coating was invented, glass wasn't nearly as useful or reliable as it is today. Her invention has proven indispensable in the making of camera lenses, microscopes and eyeglasses.

29. Wireless transmission technology
• Inventor: Hedy Lamarr
• Year / period: 1941

During World War II, Lamarr, who also happened to be a movie star, created a frequency-hopping communication system that could guide torpedos without being detected. Her groundbreaking work paved the way for the modern invention of WiFi, GPS, and bluetooth.

30. Thermoelectric power generator
• Inventor: Maria Telkes
• Year / period: 1947

A pioneer in the field of solar thermal storage systems, MIT researcher Maria Telkes created the first solar-heated system for her home in Dover, Massachusetts.

31. Disposable diaper
• Inventor: Marion Donovan
• Year / period: 1950

First inventing a leak-proof diaper covering, then a fully disposable diaper, Donovan was intent on helping as many people as possible with her ingenuity. While it’s not surprising that her inventions were completely ignored as “unnecessary and impractical” by the male manufacturers she pitched them to, Donovan took matters into her own hands and sold them straight to Saks Fifth Avenue.

32. Anti-fungal drug
• Inventor: Rachel Fuller Brown and Elizabeth Lee Hazen
• Year / period: 1950

These two New York Department of Health lab researchers discovered Nystatin, one of the first effective anti-fungal medicines, by collaborating on experiments through the mail.

33. Liquid Paper
• Inventor: Bette Nesmith Graham
• Year / period: 1951

This invention turned Graham from a secretary to a millionaire. First marketed as "Mistake-Out," Graham's home-made typewriter correction fluid was an instant hit among her fellow secretaries. After further experimentation, she perfected her recipe and Liquid Paper was born.

34. Computer software
• Inventor: Grace Murray Hopper
• Year / period: 1952

A computer scientist who helped design Harvard's Mark I Computer, Hopper also invented a compiler that could translate written language into computer code, and was a part of the team that developed COBOL, one of the first modern computer programming languages.

35. Waterproof leather protector
• Inventor: Patsy O'Connell Sherman
• Year / period: 1956

While attempting to develop a new kind of rubber for jet fuel lines, Sherman and her lab partner Sam Smith accidentally discovered a waterproof, stain proof, insoluble polymer that eventually became Scotchgard.

36. Hydyne rocket fuel
• Inventor: Mary Sherman Morgan
• Year / period: 1957

Explorer I, the first satellite ever launched into orbit by the United States, owed its success to Hydyne, the improved rocket fuel that Morgan created during her time as technical lead at North American Aviation's Rocketdyne Division.

37. Immunosuppressive drug
• Inventor: Gertrude Belle Elion
• Year / period: 1957

During her long career as a pharmacologist, Elion helped develop countless drugs that are used in the treatment of AIDS, malaria, herpes, and cancer. Along with George Herbert Hitchings, she invented the first immunosuppressive drug, Azathioprine, which was initially used for chemotherapy patients, and eventually for organ transplants.

38. Bullet-proof fiber
• Inventor: Stephanie Kwolek
• Year / period: 1966

While searching for strong but lightweight plastics to use in car tires, DuPont researcher Stephanie Kwolek discovered what would become known as Kevlar. This revolutionary fiber has saved countless lives in the form of bullet-proof vests, and is also used in numerous applications, such as bridge cables, canoes, and frying pans.

39. Space rocket propulsion system
• Inventor: Yvonne Brill
• Year / period: 1974

Brill's groundbreaking invention, the hydrazine resistojet, streamlined various rocket propulsion systems, which all required different types of fuel and added prohibitive weight, into a lighter system with a single fuel source. Monopropellant thrusters are now standard, and are why we have self-propelling satellites.

40. Call-center system
• Inventor: Erna Schneider Hoover
• Year / period: 1967

Before Hoover’s invention of a telephone call traffic system, phone circuit equipment at Bell Labs – where she was a researcher – was constantly overloaded. Her computerized solution monitored call volumes and adjusted acceptance rates accordingly, so as not to overload circuits.

41. Home security system
• Inventor: Marie Van Brittan Brown
• Year / period: 1969

With New York City police being notoriously slow to respond to calls in her neighborhood, Brown took matters into her own hands and created a home security system with closed-circuit television.

42. Caller ID and call-waiting
• Inventor: Shirley Ann Jackson
• Year / period: 1970's

Shirley Ann Jackson was an award-winning theoretical physicist. Her contributions to the field of telecommunications led to the invention of numerous technologies, including caller ID and call-waiting, as well as solar cells and fiber optic cables.

43. Word processor
• Inventor: Evelyn Berezin
• Year / period: 1971

In addition to creating the first computerized airline booking system, Berezin created the world's first word processor. Realizing that because of her gender she wouldn't be able to move up in the industry, she also founded her own company, Redactron, to get her inventions on the market.

44. Photo enhancement
• Inventor: Barbara Askins
• Year / period: 1978

While working for NASA, Askins was tasked with finding a way to improve the quality of photos taken from space. Her method of enhancing photo negatives was far more widely applicable, as it could be used to clarify photos after they were already developed. Her technology has been adapted for use with X-rays and historical photo restoration.

45. Space station batteries
• Inventor: Olga Gonzalez-Sanabria
• Year / period: 1980

The International Space Station relies on solar power, but for a third of its rotation, the earth blocks the sun's rays. Gonzalez-Sanabria's long-life nickel hydrogen batteries keep the International Space Station powered up during that dark portion of its rotation.

46. Blissymbol printer
• Inventor: Rachel Zimmerman
• Year / period: 1984

At only 12 years old, Zimmerman invented software that allows people with speech disabilities to communicate non-verbally by using symbols on a touchpad that are then translated to written language.

47. Laser cataract surgery
• Inventor: Patricia Bath
• Year / period: 1986

Bath's patented Laserphaco Probe allows doctors to dissolve cataracts quickly and painlessly before applying new lenses to patients' eyes. This technology is used worldwide to prevent blindness due to cataracts.

48. Humane cattle restraints
• Inventor:Temple Grandin
• Year / period: 1990

Grandin's innovative designs in the field of animal husbandry have led to calmer livestock and fewer injuries. She has developed numerous ways to handle cattle based on how they naturally behave, rather than on brute force. Her center track cattle restraint system is now used to manage about half of the cattle in the United States.

49. Stem cell isolation
• Inventor: Ann Tsukamoto
• Year / period: 1991

A vital breakthrough in cancer research, Tsukamoto's co-patented process of isolating human stem cells found in bone marrow has saved hundreds of thousands of lives.

50. Naturally colored cotton
• Inventor: Sally Fox
• Year / period: 1997

Before Fox's innovative plant-breeding work, naturally colored cottons were rare, temperamental, and could only be picked and spun by hand. Her work has led to cottons that grow in an array of colors and that can be machine-harvested and spun. This allows for a drastic reduction in chemical and bleach processing, and the need for synthetic dyes.

Secondly, you are apparently blind. There are lots of overweight people out there of both genders, and all ages, too.

Thirdly, how old are you? You seem a little juvenile.

Fourthly, why are you focussing/obsessing on fat women?
Wed 9 Jun, 2021 04:37 pm
women have invented plenty of things

Do you have 3 or 4 weeks to spend here if I list all the things invented by men?

But that's cute. You listed a few female outliers who were high on the bell curve.

Did you know that some human beings are albinos? I guess that means that because that exists, we shouldn't generalize that most humans have pigment in their skin.
Wed 9 Jun, 2021 04:41 pm
You are an odious person.

Given that women weren't recognized as "persons" until recently, weren't allowed to attend universities until recently, often weren't allowed to read newspapers at home until recently, most often not permitted to attend educational seminars until recently, were not allowed to own property until recently, didn't own a thing of their own until recently, and if divorced, lost everything, including custody of their children, until recently... it's bloody amazing women accomplished anything at all.

Not to mention, have you heard "behind every successful man there's a good woman"?

You are a mysogynistic boor.
Wed 9 Jun, 2021 04:44 pm
I think Benny has a valid point (which Mame's irrelevent and factually dubious list completely misses).

If Overweight women are common in advertising, but overweight out of shape men are missing... what is that saying about current ideas of gender in society?

I think it is an interesting question.
Wed 9 Jun, 2021 04:55 pm
He has to prove it. Just saying it is nothing.

And, by the way, it wasn't factually dubious or irrelevant - I was responding to this: "Why do you think that all the great inventions of all time were forged by men?"

Overweight women are now common in advertising - it's completely the reverse of the Twiggy days. Skinny women have been portrayed and glorified in western societies for decades - why? That's what men preferred. Oh, who ran those advertising companies, tv shows, etc? Why, men! So for decades women have been striving to be just what their man wanted and therefore have dieted themselves to death, struggled with bulimia and anorexia, for no real good reason. We had to be the perfect wife and mother, even if we lived with a loser.

The reason why large women are now modelling is that women are standing up and saying Piss Off. We can and will be whatever the hell it is we want to be.

Fat, lazy. beer-bellied men calling out "beer me, woman" on couches are ok, but if you are even a slightly overweight woman, you're judged and criticized.

I couldn't give a s**t what that BJ thinks - or you, max. (Some) men do to women what they do to everything else - try to change it to suit their needs and wants.
Wed 9 Jun, 2021 05:18 pm
I said your list is "factually dubious" because many of the claims it makes are simply wrong. The first patent in the US (i.e. US patent #1) is held by Samuel Hopkins in 1790. The circular saw was patented a couple of years before Tabitha Babbit was born. Some of your list is correct... Ada Lovelace is a personal hero of mine, but if you go down the list point by point, you will see that many points are simply incorrect.
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Wed 9 Jun, 2021 05:21 pm

If obesity in women is celebrated, but obesity in men is either ignored or mocked.... don't you see this as an issue?

We aren't eliminating gender stereotypes, we are just mutating them to new stereotypes.
Wed 9 Jun, 2021 06:07 pm
You don't understand women or women's history at all, and why am I not surprised?

Nobody should have to fight for equal rights - not women, not people of colour, not minorities, not children.

Everyone is born with the right to have their two feet on this planet. And if you can't understand this basic concept and are, in fact, disputing women's contributions, you are as bad as any racist/misogynist.

Like every other minority, women have been oppressed by men for millennia and the "We Too", "BLM", Indigenous (as well as MMIWG) and other movements are pointing that out. Finally. Finally.

You don't understand what women are saying, finally saying, by modelling larger clothing, etc. And until you do, or try to, there is absolutely zero point in talking to you.

You conveniently ignored the import of my post and focussed on microscopic issues. That tells me you have a long way to go in understanding what's going on.

Wed 9 Jun, 2021 06:42 pm
1) History should be based on facts. If you claim that "the first patent in the US was held by a woman... that is is either true or it is not true. In this case it is not true.

It seems to me that history should include the contributions of both women and men. But it should be true.

I don't see the point of making up "facts" (that are demonstrably false) and call that "woman's history".
Wed 9 Jun, 2021 06:44 pm
You are pushing a very White/European colonial narrative.

Would you as a White woman go to an indigenous American, or African, or Asian culture and tell the women there that they are being oppressed by indigenous American or Asian or African or Australian men?

I get your narrative. I am a bit uncomfortable as a White descendent of colonialism to push this narrative onto other cultures. I am happy to talk about gender roles as they should develop in my own culture... however I think even there your narrative is rather one-sided and overly simplistic.
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Wed 9 Jun, 2021 06:44 pm
again, minutiae
Wed 9 Jun, 2021 06:50 pm
I don't think it is minutae at all.

You are pushing a one-sided political narrative. It is valid for me to push back on what you are presenting as facts. When you are talking about "history" then facts matter.

You are correct... my opinion is there is no reason for "Woman's history" to exist. It should just be history... and it should cover the contributions of any gender. I agree that traditional history has tended to emphasize only the contributions of White men. For us to expand history is a good thing, but it still has to be factually correct.

If you are going to have a separate history for women, it still should be factually correct.
Wed 9 Jun, 2021 07:16 pm
Yeah, you pick one thing out of 50 from one website - that's minutiae. Give me a break. And you ignore everything else I've said.

You like to pick and choose. Your arguments are just so incomplete. That's a sign of a lousy debater. Answer all the points, not just one. Are you a politician, perchance?
Wed 9 Jun, 2021 07:41 pm
I believe you are pushing a one-sided political narrative. I don't believe I am "ignoring" anything you have said. I generally haven't commented on points where we agree. I will go through point by point just to be sure.

1) I agree with you that women have invented plenty of things.

2) I will neither agree or disagree with your personal attacks (since I am trying to go in order).

3) I agree with you about historical restrictions on women owning property in Western cultures.

4) I agree with some of your list, but I think it is clearly wrong in some points and exagerrated in others.

5) I neither agree or disagree with more personal attacks.

6) I agree with more historical restrictions on women in the US and Canada.

7) I agree with you that I don't understand "Woman's history". I fail to see the point in having separate histories for different genders. I feel like woman's history is mor of an emotional narrative rather than a factual account.

8) More personal attacks (which I still have no opinion on).

9) I have a big problem with the idea that "women have been oppressed for millenia". This is a White/European narrative, and pushing this on non-Western cultures is both historically and sociologically problematic.

Did I miss anything?
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Wed 9 Jun, 2021 07:48 pm
I am pretty sure you are a White Canadian (correct me if I am wrong). And as a liberal, I am sure you know about Indian schools in Canada.

You probably haven't really thought through how your present way of thinking is a direct offshoot of Indian schools. A lot of White Canadians saw Indian schools as something necessary to protect indigenous women from indigenous men.

Many Indigenous cultures in Candada practiced polygamy and child marriage. I don't know whether you would see this as an example of "men oppressing women", but it was certainly a part of indigenous culture that White Canadians wanted to eradicate.

I have no problem talking about our own culture, and talking about the changing gender roles in Western cultures. It is my culture, I understand it, I live in it, and have the right to criticize it.

Extending this judgement to non-Western cultures is a big problem, particularly considering our history of oppression of these very cultures.
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Wed 9 Jun, 2021 09:15 pm
maxdancona wrote:

1) History should be based on facts. If you claim that "the first patent in the US was held by a woman... that is is either true or it is not true. In this case it is not true.

It seems to me that history should include the contributions of both women and men. But it should be true.

I don't see the point of making up "facts" (that are demonstrably false) and call that "woman's history".

Mame wrote:

On May 5, 1809, Mary Kies became the first woman to receive a patent in the United States. (It was for her technique of weaving straw with silk.)

I don't see where Mame ever claimed that the first patent was held by a woman.
Wed 9 Jun, 2021 09:24 pm
Yes, roger is correct i got that one wrong.
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Wed 9 Jun, 2021 09:29 pm
I didn't know women are being celebrated because they are too heavy. I don't particularly like to shop, but on the occasion I might have to visit a Target, I haven't not seen any gorgeous men or women.

I think the OP is repeating INCEL logic.
Wed 9 Jun, 2021 10:32 pm
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