Covid-19: the myth of a worthy cause.

Reply Tue 30 Jun, 2020 03:35 am
This is Oklahoma, where we have been 'open' pretty much the whole time except for things like restaurants, bars, gyms,, and entertainment venues (sports, concerts,) . As I recall, on May 1st, the bars, restaurants, gyms, massage parlors, salons,movie theaters were allowed to open. I think maybe everything is open now - I know personally I have not been very inconvenienced here - Walmart has been open as has most stores throughout this 'pandemic'.

We are one of those states that the main stream media is saying there is a critical surge in new cases - which is true- but the surge is driven by people under age 50, not 65 plus

Social distancing for the most part is voluntary. Restaurants are open. People wear masks if they want. Churches have alternating pews and people wave to one another instead of shaking hands. We really don't need the government telling us we can't play doubles tennis or that kayaks are fine but not motor boats.

Everyday we hear about how many cases the US has.....The number of cases the US has had since the dawn of time is a useless number. Who cares? What matters is the number of active cases and as you say, the hospital data....Good luck finding that presented on the nightly news.

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Reply Tue 30 Jun, 2020 04:05 am
CDC says U.S. has 'way too much virus' to control pandemic as cases surge across country

The coronavirus is spreading too rapidly and too broadly for the U.S. to bring it under control, Dr. Anne Schuchat, principal deputy director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said Monday.

The U.S. has set records for daily new infections in recent days as outbreaks surge mostly across the South and West. The recent spike in new cases has outpaced daily infections in April when the virus rocked Washington state and the northeast, and when public officials thought the outbreak was hitting its peak in the U.S.

"We're not in the situation of New Zealand or Singapore or Korea where a new case is rapidly identified and all the contacts are traced and people are isolated who are sick and people who are exposed are quarantined and they can keep things under control," she said in an interview with The Journal of the American Medical Association's Dr. Howard Bauchner. "We have way too much virus across the country for that right now, so it's very discouraging."

New Zealand's outbreak peaked in early April, when the country reported 89 new cases in a single day, according to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University. On June 8, officials declared that there no more active infections in the island country of almost 5 million. Since then, a handful of cases have entered the country from international travelers, but health officials have managed to contain infections so far to fewer than 10 new daily cases per day through June.

South Korea was among the first countries outside of China to battle a coronavirus outbreak, but health officials managed to contain the epidemic through aggressive testing, contact tracing and isolating of infected people. The outbreak peaked at 851 new infections reported on March 3, according to Hopkins' data, but the country has reported fewer than 100 new cases per day since April 1.

Like South Korea, Singapore found early success in preventing the spread of the virus through aggressive testing and tracing. However, in April the virus began to circulate among the island country's migrant worker community, ballooning into an outbreak that peaked on April 20, when the country reported about 1,400 new cases, according to Hopkins' data. Daily new cases have steadily dropped since then and on Sunday, the country reported 213 new cases, according to Hopkins' data.

While the outbreaks in New Zealand, South Korea and Singapore have been of different magnitudes and followed different trajectories, officials in all three countries now quickly respond to every new infection in order to stamp out what remains of the outbreak, Schuchat said. The U.S. stands in stark contrast as it continues to report over 30,000 new infections per day.

"This is really the beginning," Schuchat said of the U.S.'s recent surge in new cases. "I think there was a lot of wishful thinking around the country that, hey it's summer. Everything's going to be fine. We're over this and we are not even beginning to be over this. There are a lot of worrisome factors about the last week or so."

The sheer size of the U.S. and the fact that the virus is hitting different parts of the country at different times complicates the public response here compared with other countries, Schuchat said. South Korea, for example, was able to concentrate their response on the southern city of Daegu, for a time, and contact tracers were quickly deployed when new cases were later found in the capital Seoul.

"What we have in the United States, it's hard to describe because it's so many different outbreaks," Schuchat said. "There was a wave of incredible acceleration, intense interventions and control measures that have brought things down to a much lower level of circulation in the New York City, Connecticut, New Jersey area. But in much of the rest of the country, there's still a lot of virus. And in lots of places, there's more virus circulating than there was."

The coronavirus has proven to be the kind of virus that Schuchat and her colleagues always feared would emerge, she said. She added that it spreads easily, no one appears to have immunity to it and it's in fact "stealthier than we were expecting."

"While you plan for it, you think about it, you have that human denial that it's really going to happen on your watch, but it's happening," she said. "As much as we've studied [the 1918 flu pandemic], I think what we're experiencing as a global community is really bad and it's similar to that 1918 transformational experience."

With the current level of spread, Schuchat said the U.S. public should "expect this virus to continue to circulate." She added that people can help to curb the spread of infection by practicing social distancing, wearing a mask and washing their hands, but no one should count on any kind of relief to stop the virus until there's a vaccine.

"We can affect it, but in terms of the weather or the season helping us, I don't think we can count on that," she said.

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Reply Tue 30 Jun, 2020 04:42 am
not sure what your point is...We shut down the country and now we are re-opening it....We attempted to flatten the curve which meant the intent was to defer cases to the future so there wouldn't be an overload. Of course there is an increase.in case counts.
Again, another article of opinion with absolutely no data- ..where is the mention that if you are under age 50, especially with no underlying health condition, there is almost no chance of death....
The actual overall observed mortality rate is rapidly declining because a) we are more aware that the elderly and those in nursing homes nee to take greater precautions and b) the increase in case count is primarily driven by those in the working age population.
How many deaths have been or will occur due to the shutdown thanks to Dr. Fauci and the CDC ? suicide, depression, missed cancer screenings, etc, I'm not one saying the virus isn't an issue to be ignored. I'm saying the decisions leaders are making are based on emotion and not science.....eg. dont' open schools or making kids where masks while in school...so lame
Reply Tue 30 Jun, 2020 04:56 am
not sure what your point is...

Who cares? Notice, it wasn't a response to you.

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Reply Tue 30 Jun, 2020 06:19 am
More fear stroking with absolutely no facts, just emotion:

"Unfortunately, it's also becoming clear that the disease is taking a greater toll on the body than we originally thought in the form of surprisingly horrific side effects and complications. Now, medical experts are raising concern over COVID-19 survivors developing post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) that could affect them for years—and that the medical community should be prepared to deal with the care demands it will create.
Administrators from Britain's National Health Service have begun issuing calls for all physicians to automatically screen COVID-19 patients for PTSD before being discharged from the hospital. Effects of the disease, which can include intense nightmares and vivid flashbacks, can potentially last for life if they are not properly addressed and treated.
Experts point out that intensive care unit experiences, which are routinely considered to be deeply traumatic, are uniquely worse for survivors of coronavirus. "For many people hospitalized with COVID-19 it's been a potentially traumatic experience," Michael Bloomfield, MD, an NHS psychiatrist and researcher at University College London told the Guardian. "Being in intensive care is frightening. There was a particular risk to their own life, because they were very ill. The doctors and nurses treating people in hospital all had to wear protective equipment. People weren't able to see their relatives. And patients had tubes in them and, if they were intubated, they were in an altered state of consciousness."

The highly contagious nature and aggressively dangerous symptoms of the virus have made the experience of many patients are a particularly difficult one to process even after they've been discharged. "It was like being in hell," one patient told the BBC. "I saw people dying, people with the life being sucked from them. The staff all have masks on and all you saw was eyes—it was so lonely and frightening."
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