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6/17/2020 The day that Black Lives Matter & the media lynched an innocent man

 
 
FreedomEyeLove
 
  5  
Fri 19 Jun, 2020 09:01 pm
@maxdancona,
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I don't see much difference between your behavior here and that of bobsal or glitterbag.


Then you must believe that I'm part of the in-crowd.
maxdancona
 
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Fri 19 Jun, 2020 09:27 pm
@FreedomEyeLove,
I think there are two in-crowds now, one liberal and one conservative. Both are nasty, both are simplistic both are closed-minded.

I don't think this is a good thing.
oralloy
 
  4  
Fri 19 Jun, 2020 10:08 pm
@maxdancona,
Am I part of one of these in crowds?

Am I nasty? If so how?
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oralloy
 
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Fri 19 Jun, 2020 10:15 pm
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:
Oralloy, are you able to understand the issue here?

Yes.


maxdancona wrote:
I get your point. It is correct, but it is rather simplistic. You are saying that when a bad guy wants to attack me, I will want there to be police around. I get it, but that is the most basic point.

No. Don't call the police if your attacker is a minority. You will be lynched if you do so.

You are much better off defending yourself with no external involvement, and then slipping away unnoticed before the police show up.


maxdancona wrote:
The intelligent points revolve around these issues...

1) These communities feel that the harm being done by police is worse than the harm being done by "bad guys". When you respond to this, try to offer something more intelligent than the obvious slogan.

2) These are real, normal Americans... trying to live their lives in a community feeling that the police who are supposed to be serving and protecting them are doing more harm than good.

The police are hardly responsible for the plight of inner city minorities. Blaming them is silly.

Regarding your complaint about slogans, I have strong laconic tendencies. But I do pack a lot of meaning into short sentences.


maxdancona wrote:
3) We are spending a hell of a lot of money on police. Yes, it does lower the crime rate... but so do things like job training, and social workers. Since the police are failing these communities (as judged by the members of these communities)... isn't it possible that maybe diverting this money to other areas.

I am all for spending extra money on these other issues. But not at the expense of the police.

Raise taxes on rich people to pay for the extra programs.


maxdancona wrote:
4) Shouldn't the members of a community be the people who make these decisions (rather than having a police force imposed on them).

A return to a lawless "wild west" means people are going to have to carry arms for their own defense.


maxdancona wrote:
Please Oralloy stop the simplistic slogans and knee-jerk political propaganda and and least consider the idea that these are difficult issues.

The plight of inner city minorities is a difficult issue.

How we treat our police officers seems like a pretty straightforward issue to me.
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oralloy
 
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Fri 19 Jun, 2020 10:20 pm
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:
What we have is two nasty little ideological groups with zero real discussion throwing nasty insults at each other. But who am I to complain... that seems to be what people on both sides want.

I've told you many times that I'd be happy to have a conversation with you.

Unfortunately what always happens is I present evidence proving that everything I say is true, and you walk away from the conversation.
FreedomEyeLove
 
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Sat 20 Jun, 2020 04:58 am
Nice to see my PG rated conservative posts here in response to Max removed by admins for purely ideological reasons for censorship sake, not because they broke any of 'the rules'.

Meanwhile, Bobsal and Glitterbag are allowed to operate as many sock accounts as they want!
FreedomEyeLove
 
  3  
Sat 20 Jun, 2020 05:14 am
@FreedomEyeLove,
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Meanwhile, Bobsal and Glitterbag are allowed to operate as many sock accounts as they want!


Robert Gentel, what do you think about all the abusive sock accounts operated by certain members here? Care to weigh in?
maxdancona
 
  -2  
Sat 20 Jun, 2020 06:46 am
@oralloy,
I walk away when you start getting silly.

When you say "everything I say is true" you are being silly (as I have explained many time). You cherry-pick facts and distill them down to political slogans. Sometimes your "facts" are true. Sometimes you get confused between facts and opinions.

But that is not your problem.

Your problem is that your arguments are simplistic. You fixate on a single point of view, and then surround your self with "true" facts, simply ignoring anything else.

That your simplistic facts are true doesn't make your simplistic arguments any less silly.
McGentrix
 
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Sat 20 Jun, 2020 05:34 pm
@FreedomEyeLove,
FreedomEyeLove wrote:

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Meanwhile, Bobsal and Glitterbag are allowed to operate as many sock accounts as they want!


Robert Gentel, what do you think about all the abusive sock accounts operated by certain members here? Care to weigh in?


Any moderators care to chime in? Has it at least been investigated?
laughoutlood
 
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Sat 20 Jun, 2020 08:41 pm
@Webb,
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In what version of reality do you think any of that is acceptable? Only a sick, far leftist extremist would justify charging this man with murder. BLM and the media are lynching this innocent man by pressuring the state to charge him with 'murder'. BLM is a violent terrorist, Marxist organization that wants to destroy this country. BLM is worse that the KKK and the neo Nazis, because the government and the media don't support the Nazis or the KKK.


If it weren't for the non sequitur in your final sentence some people could mistake you for a moderate, middle-of-the road logician.



Oh no Mr Webb, you got
A weight on your shoulders
That's breaking your back
Your Cadillac
Has got a wheel in the ditch
And a wheel on the track
FreedomEyeLove
 
  4  
Sat 20 Jun, 2020 11:05 pm
@laughoutlood,
I love Neil Young!

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oralloy
 
  5  
Sat 20 Jun, 2020 11:26 pm
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:
I walk away when you start getting silly.

The trouble is, you regard any fact that proves you wrong as silly.

So you end up walking away whenever I post facts that prove you wrong.


maxdancona wrote:
When you say "everything I say is true" you are being silly (as I have explained many time).

Not when everything I say actually is true and I have the facts and cites to back it up.


maxdancona wrote:
You cherry-pick facts and distill them down to political slogans.

In other words, I post facts that prove what I say is true.


maxdancona wrote:
Sometimes you get confused between facts and opinions.

No I don't. And you cannot provide any examples of me having done so.


maxdancona wrote:
But that is not your problem.
Your problem is that your arguments are simplistic. You fixate on a single point of view, and then surround your self with "true" facts, simply ignoring anything else.

I do not find a straightforward focus on facts and reality to be a problem at all.

The only people who seem to find it a problem are those who dislike facts and reality.


maxdancona wrote:
That your simplistic facts are true doesn't make your simplistic arguments any less silly.

That you regard facts and reality as silly does not make them any less true.
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oralloy
 
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Sat 20 Jun, 2020 11:27 pm
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:
Any moderators care to chime in? Has it at least been investigated?

I suspect that the attacks are more sophisticated than simply using multiple accounts to vote people down.

It is noteworthy that the massive vote-downs always happen instantaneously, as if the server has received a barrage of vote-down requests all at once.
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Webb
 
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Sun 21 Jun, 2020 01:36 am
@laughoutlood,
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If it weren't for the non sequitur in your final sentence some people could mistake you for a moderate, middle-of-the road logician.


Thank you for the compliment (I think?). That's what I keep telling people. I'm not a conservative, I just don't like the way conservatives get dog piled on.

I've never listened to much Neil Young. I'm in my early 30's, so my generation grew up with hip-hop. It's my favorite kind of music. I listened to this video though, I like the song. Funny too, because Webb actually is my family name.
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Webb
 
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Sun 21 Jun, 2020 01:56 am
@hightor,
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The people in the street demonstrating and protesting under the BLM banner are not "Marxists" —


You've repeatedly shown me with your words that you're a radical, extreme leftist. I really don't care whether or not you approve of Thurston Powers. I also posted two other articles showing how BLM are Marxists, you didn't comment on those. I also don't care if you approve of them or not.

I think it's pretty obvious that you're a Marxist yourself, so of course you're going to defend other Marxist groups.

Here's a video that shows the founder of BLM admitting that BLM in fact is a Marxist group. I suppose that's not enough for you either? I suppose if you told me that the sky was red and I pointed your eyes to it and showed you that it's in fact blue, that wouldn't be enough for you either?

hightor
 
  -2  
Sun 21 Jun, 2020 03:26 am
@Webb,
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You've repeatedly shown me with your words that you're a radical, extreme leftist.

I doubt that.
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I also don't care if you approve of them or not.

What you "care" is of little interest or importance.
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I think it's pretty obvious that you're a Marxist yourself, so of course you're going to defend other Marxist groups.

That doesn't make any sense. Were I a "Marxist" how does my contention that the people in the street demonstrating and protesting under the BLM banner are not "Marxists" amount to a "defense of other Marxist groups"?
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Here's a video that shows the founder of BLM admitting that BLM in fact is a Marxist group

As I said, the people in the street demonstrating and protesting under the BLM banner are not "Marxists". You ask those people why they're there and they'll tell you "the killing has to stop" or something like that. As far as the founder's words go, like many other radicals, the organizers have piggy-backed their protest onto the aching, groaning corpus of world socialism and communism. So we have the guy in your video claiming that Mussolini was a Marxist.

Anybody can call anyone a "Marxist" and anyone can claim to be a "Marxist" — for the right, the term has simply become a universal label that they apply to any political group they don't like. For the left, it's a catchword which designates that beneath the emotional expression and rage there's a theoretical basis somewhere. The founder claims she's a "trained Marxist" — who trained her? What did this training consist of? How long was it undertaken? Does she have some sort of diploma that says that the "International Order of Marxists and Latter-Day Troublemakers recognizes Patrisse Cullors as a member in good standing after successfully completing her training as a Marxist"?

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I suppose if you told me that the sky was red and I pointed your eyes to it and showed you that it's in fact blue, that wouldn't be enough for you either?

Not the same thing at all, as red and blue are physical properties that can be easily distinguished and I wouldn't be claiming that the sky was red in the first place, unless it were during a sunset or maybe a volcanic eruption. Anyway, Webb is more likely to be the one seeing red.

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Black Lives Matter (BLM) is an organized movement favoring non-violent civil disobedience in protest against alleged incidents of police brutality against Afro-American people.[2] An organization known simply as "Black Lives Matter"[a] exists as a decentralized network with over 30 chapters worldwide, while a larger Black Lives Matter movement exists consisting of various separate like-minded organizations such as Dream Defenders and Assata's Daughters. The broader movement and its related organizations typically advocate against police violence towards black people, as well as for various other policy changes considered to be related to black liberation.[7]

In 2013, the movement began with the use of the hashtag #BlackLivesMatter on social media after the acquittal of George Zimmerman in the shooting death of African-American teen Trayvon Martin in February 2012. The movement became nationally recognized for street demonstrations following the 2014 deaths of two African Americans: Michael Brown—resulting in protests and unrest in Ferguson, a city near St. Louis—and Eric Garner in New York City.[8][9] Since the Ferguson protests, participants in the movement have demonstrated against the deaths of numerous other African Americans by police actions and/or while in police custody. In the summer of 2015, Black Lives Matter activists became involved in the 2016 United States presidential election.[10] The originators of the hashtag and call to action, Alicia Garza, Patrisse Cullors, and Opal Tometi, expanded their project into a national network of over 30 local chapters between 2014 and 2016.[11] The overall Black Lives Matter movement, however, is a decentralized network and has no formal hierarchy.

Region Philbis
 
  -3  
Sun 21 Jun, 2020 03:30 am
@McGentrix,
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Has it at least been investigated?
Mueller's not busy these days... give him a call...
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Webb
 
  4  
Sun 21 Jun, 2020 07:24 am
@hightor,
I have a very simple 'yes' or 'no' question for you.

In the video I posted, did you see one of the two founders of BLM admit on camera that BLM are "Trained Marxists"?

Do your eyes and ears function OK?

YES or NO?

It's a simple, straight forward question.

Are you man enough to answer it honestly?
hightor
 
  -3  
Sun 21 Jun, 2020 07:52 am
@Webb,
Why the hostility?

Yes, of course I heard it. So what? I already addressed your points in my previous response.

I just don't think it means what you and your right-wing compatriots think it means. So, once again, who "trained" them? There are many varieties of Marxist thought and there is no Marxist pope to provide an imprimatur for anyone's claim to be a genuine "Marxist". I don't think the fact that the founders attempt to pass themselves off as "Marxists" is significant because the BLM movement itself is motivated by anger at police killings not by 19th century economic theory. The people in the streets aren't communists, they're simply people who believe cops treat non-whites unfairly.


Webb
 
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Sun 21 Jun, 2020 08:12 am
@hightor,
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Yes, of course I heard it.


THANK YOU!

OK, now please go away.

Go hang out with your Antifa/BLM buddies.

 

 
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