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Webb
 
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Wed 24 Jun, 2020 11:42 am
@hightor,
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you could have this experience without suffering from institutionalized racism your whole life.


I want to know how we live in a country with "institutionalized racism" that continually elects black people to government, including electing a black president when black people in the U.S. only make up about 12% of the population.

Seems to me that a country with "institutionalized racism" wouldn't allow such a small minority to hold public office, let alone the highest public offices in the land.
hightor
 
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Thu 25 Jun, 2020 02:54 am
@Webb,
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I want to know how we live in a country with "institutionalized racism" that continually elects black people to government(...)

Most of the non-whites elected to office in the House win seats in districts which have large non-white populations. That's because institutionalized racism (redlining) has concentrated non-whites in particular localities for generations. The fact that individuals who aren't "white" can win Senate seats and even the presidency doesn't mean that institutionalized racism doesn't exist. The GOP likes to have a few trusted black faces in its ranks so they can trot out their "we're not racists" line. A good many USAmericans aren't racist and were happy to vote for Obama. A lot of USAmericans were racist but voted for Obama because he wasn't the sort of stereotypical black man descended from slaves they were taught to hate and fear. That certainly doesn't disprove the existence of 400 years of institutionalized racism in the USA.
Webb
 
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Thu 25 Jun, 2020 01:55 pm
@hightor,
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The GOP likes to have a few trusted black faces in its ranks so they can trot out their "we're not racists" line.


Citation required, otherwise this is just a conspiracy theory coming from you, a confirmed far left Marxist.

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A lot of USAmericans were racist but voted for Obama because he wasn't the sort of stereotypical black man descended from slaves they were taught to hate and fear.


Citation required. No one in the U.S. is "taught to hate and fear" black people. Where do they teach this? Be specific.

You're full of ****. No one encourages or openly "teaches" racism in the U.S. People who express openly racist views become social pariahs. They get fired from their jobs, lose friends, etc. Even people who aren't actually racist, but may happen to misspeak or make an off color joke suffer this fate, including liberals. Just google what's happening to Jimmey Kimmel right now.

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...400 years of institutionalized racism in the USA.


100% bullshit that does not exist. No one alive today ever owned a slave or was a slave. Also, America isn't where slavery originated from. Almost every
country has some form of slavery in their past.
hightor
 
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Fri 26 Jun, 2020 03:04 am
@Webb,
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...a confirmed far left Marxist.

Hahaa — so you believe that Marxists get "confirmed" the way Catholics do? Citation required for that interesting idea. And do you really think the GOP is on record as saying, "We need to recruit black candidates to keep us from looking like overt racists"? I need no citation; it's an obvious ploy well-understood in political circles. Anther reason, of course, is the shifting demographics of the country. Do I need a citation to demonstrate that to you as well?
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Where do they teach this?

It's taught by peer pressure and by example. The only "formal" teaching is done by racist groups themselves, of which there are many.
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100% bullshit that does not exist.

Yes, the non-existence of 400 years of racism is bullshit. The effects are all around us. We wouldn't be having this discussion if racism didn't exist and wasn't part of the USAmerican identity.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 26 Jun, 2020 03:23 am
@hightor,
Webb wrote:
confirmed far left Marxist.

Besides the question about the 'confirmation' - what is a far left Marxist.

While I think that either you are a Marxist or not, there are some who call Leninism, Trotskyism, Marxism–Leninism, Maoism ... Marxism, even Socialism in the USA.

My membership book for the Social-Democratic Party confirms that I'm a member of this party. Nothing more or less, btw.
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Webb
 
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Sun 28 Jun, 2020 08:26 pm
@hightor,
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so you believe that Marxists get "confirmed" the way Catholics do?


No. Your words confirm that you hold Marxist beliefs. You're a far, far left extremist. You know exactly what I mean.

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And do you really think the GOP is on record as saying, "We need to recruit black candidates to keep us from looking like overt racists"?


No. I do not believe for one minute that the GOP has gone on record to say that they use black folks for political cover. However, I have, in fact, seen democrats use black people as political pawns. The most recent and widely shared example was Joe Biden's gaffe about black people. You see, that was an ACTUAL example, something you can't produce to support your claims.

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I need no citation; it's an obvious ploy well-understood in political circles.


According to who? You and your whacko Marxist buddies? A citation is definitely 100% mandatory here to back your claim, otherwise it's bullshit.

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It's taught by peer pressure and by example.


Your incredibly bias and subjective opinion, not fact.

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The only "formal" teaching is done by racist groups themselves, of which there are many.


What "racist groups"? Be specific. Do you mean the KKK? Because groups like that are not mainstream by any metric. There is no mainstream social acceptance of fringe groups like that, and if you're saying that there is, that proves you're a lunatic.

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We wouldn't be having this discussion if racism didn't exist and wasn't part of the USAmerican identity.


Bullshit.

We're having this discussion because race baiting is used by the left (and always has been) as a political tool.

America is the least racist country on the planet. It's the country where all races have more opportunity and are treated more fairly than anywhere else.

Far left extremists like you are an example of actual racists.

You think that black people aren't capable of making it on their own steam without government handouts, without help from the white man.

You think black people are utterly inept, and incapable of achieving anything through their own hard work.

You think that white people are the ordained saviors of black people.
harpazo
 
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Tue 30 Jun, 2020 06:50 am
@Webb,
I concur, Webb. I am not White but I concur.
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hightor
 
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Tue 30 Jun, 2020 08:15 am
@Webb,
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Your words confirm that you hold Marxist beliefs.

What words are those? Webb is one of those characters who thinks that pinning a term of opprobrium on somebody excuses him from the need to make an actual fact-based argument. It's no different from "progressives" pointing a finger at someone and yelling "racist".
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You're a far, far left extremist.

Citation?
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The most recent and widely shared example was Joe Biden's gaffe about black people. You see, that was an ACTUAL example...

How does that comment illustrate using "black people as political pawns"? Sure, there was an ACTUAL example of Biden saying something dumb (again), but nothing in the comment suggested racial exploitation. He was trying to converse in a folksy and down-to-earth manner. It was no different than a Chicagoan who likes the Cubs telling another Chicagoan wearing a White Sox hat that "If you don't like the Cubs, you ain't from Chicago." Sheesh, it was a throwaway comment, not a policy position.
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... something you can't produce to support your claims.

Trump chose Ben Carson for a cabinet position as a token black. In 2009, after Obama's win, the GOP chose Michael Steele to head the RNC.
Having an articulate black guy in the public eye was supposed to counter the notion of the GOP as the "white people's party". It was obviously just for show as he was maneuvered out of the position a few years later. Reagan chose Samuel Pierce as a token black cabinet member (for HUD — same as Carson) and didn't even recognize his own secretary at a meeting of U.S. mayors.
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Your incredibly bias and subjective opinion...

If you really think that racism is no longer an active presence in the USA then you are simply in denial.

New Data Shows How Parents Accidentally Pass on Racial Prejudice to Kids

A search will bring up many articles explaining how racism is at work in the culture of the USA. There are over twenty homegrown white nationalist organizations listed in Wikipedia.

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You think that black people aren't capable of making it on their own steam without government handouts, without help from the white man.

You think black people are utterly inept, and incapable of achieving anything through their own hard work.

You think that white people are the ordained saviors of black people.


While I don't think any of those things, I recognize Webb's tactics here. It's a form of projection. Because the question then arises, since we know that black USAmericans lag behind whites in many areas — income, home ownership, education, health — there must be some reason why, over 400 years, blacks haven't overcome this economic disparity. Webb assures us that racism doesn't exist, there's no discrimination, and that blacks are treated fairly and have the same opportunities as any other ethnic or racial group. Okay, so how does Webb explain black poverty? How does Webb explain the historic differences between the wealth of blacks and whites in the US?
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