Trump's executive orders and the implications for social media

@Webb,

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You can't deny that big tech as an industry is heavily, HEAVILY left leaning. There are no right leaning companies not just in tech, but in the entire world with as much money and power as companies like Google, Twitter, facebook, etc.

You are greatly overstating your case to the point of being silly. Mark Zuckerberg (runs Facebook) is certainly not liberal, and Twitter isn't liberal (if you don't count it's spat with the president).

This presecution complex is not warranted. Conservatives are well represented on Twitter and Facebook. There are prominent websites (RedState, NationalReview) none of them have any problem promoting their view with the full support of the Tech industry that is happy to take their money as well as any other paying customer.

There is a basic confusion here You don't seem to understand what "Free Speech" is. RedState keeps socialist posts off of their site, or NationalGunForum banning users who push a gun control agenda.

Neither of these cases violate free speech.

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@maxdancona,

maxdancona wrote:

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Being a conservative in the year 2020 is like being a black person during the Jim Crow era.

This is the stupidest thing you have said here (at least you didn't go with a claim that conservatives are suffering as much as people in a concentration camp).

You're playing into the victimhood-ranking game here, which is a game that reduces awareness of oppression to a hierarchy of victim statuses to avoid paying real attention to how power works and how to stop it from working that way.

The issue shouldn't be who has (had) it worse than whom, but how to stop power from being exercised in these ways that it has in the past.

What do you want to do, have a future without oppression or just change the geometries of oppression so the same tactics get used as in the past, only against different categories of people?

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@livinglava,

Being persecuted for the color of your skin is not the same as being criticized for being a racist asshole.

If you run around claiming that Black people want to kill police officers, you deserve whatever "persecution" you are getting. What, you are sad because your feelings are hurt?

You march around with tiki torches shouting "Jews will not replace us", you deserve to be ridiculed. And, I will be happy to do it.

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@maxdancona,

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Being persecuted for the color of your skin is not the same as being criticized for being a racist asshole.

The point is not that you shouldn't criticize people for racism or anything else, but that criticism has to be separated from persecution/discrimination.

What you should really try to see is that there are people who just want to persecute because they have aggression and they want to victimize people. They will attack whomever they can feel validated in attacking, just because there is fight in them and they want a scapegoat to use their aggression against.

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If you run around claiming that Black people want to kill police officers, you deserve whatever "persecution" you are getting. What, you are sad because your feelings are hurt?

What are you talking about here? The poster was not saying anything about black people other than to compare the tactics of discrimination used against them during Jim Crow with what conservatives are faced with today. The point was not to compete for victim status against black people but to highlight how the same tactics of power are being used today as back then, only now it's taboo for haters to target/scapegoat blacks, so they target whomever it is politically correct to target, which is at present conservatives.

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You march around with tiki torches shouting "Jews will not replace us", you deserve to be ridiculed. And, I will be happy to do it.

I don't know anyone who does that, and I haven't defended that at all, yet you associate me and conservatives generally with that in order to make us 'deplorable' so you can legitimate scapegoating and targeting us for hate.

You are a hater who looks for an excuse to hate, so if you can find any example of something deplorable that you can label as 'conservative,' you will ridicule and scapegoat any other conservative as being the same as those you deplore.

That is no different from racists who look at black criminals and extend their hate of criminality to encompass any and all black people, whether they are criminals or law abiding people.

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@livinglava,

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The point is not that you shouldn't criticize people for racism or anything else,

We disagree strongly there. You absolutely should criticize people for racism.

I criticize people for their actions rather than who they are. If someone does or says something hateful, they deserve to be ridiculed or despised for it.

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@maxdancona,

maxdancona wrote:

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The point is not that you shouldn't criticize people for racism or anything else,

We disagree strongly there. You absolutely should criticize people for racism.

You're misreading what you're quoting.

I said, "the point is not that you shouldn't criticize people for racism or anything else . . . but that criticism has to be separated from persecution/discrimination.

Why don't you make sure you understand what you're quoting before you argue against it?

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I criticize people for their actions rather than who they are. If someone does or says something hateful, they deserve to be ridiculed or despised for it.

You deserve to be ridiculed and despised for many things about you, but it doesn't happen because the ridicule passes you over for the scapegoat class of the day.

Historically, blacks have been a target of collective scapegoating, but now it is taboo to be racist, so haters like you have to find a different target.

When it is your turn to be the target, you will see what I was criticizing and understand why.

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@livinglava,

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You deserve to be ridiculed and despised for many things about you, but it doesn't happen because the ridicule passes you over for the scapegoat class of the day.

Ha Ha!

I have no problem being ridiculed. And, I have taken quite a bit of it here. I have an IQ of 171, so I can take it.

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@maxdancona,

maxdancona wrote:

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You deserve to be ridiculed and despised for many things about you, but it doesn't happen because the ridicule passes you over for the scapegoat class of the day.

Ha Ha!

I have no problem being ridiculed. And, I have taken quite a bit of it here. I have an IQ of 171, so I can take it.

That's easy to say when you're not in the category of people targeted for scapegoating.

Do you think there weren't intelligent black people who nevertheless suffered under the hate, exclusion, and discrimination of Jim Crow?

If you want to criticize conservatism because you have a different POV, that's your freedom of speech. But it goes to another level when you exercise systematic hate, exclusion, and discrimination.

In democracy, we're supposed to discuss our differences constructively. Hate, exclusion, and discrimination against people you disagree with is not democracy, it's fascism.

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@livinglava,

Let me say it again.

There is a big difference between being persecuted because of the color of your skin... and being criticized because you are a racist asshole.

You are acting as if these two things are the same.

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@livinglava,

If you knew more about the Civil Rights Act of 1964, you'd know that , at that particular time,almost all the conservative Southern DEmocrat Lgislators , became Republicans and the GOP became the main party of institutionalized racism. As the old line GOPers died and the party became a haven for ultra conservatives, the silent growth of institutionalized racism has become , under the "nudge nudge" leadership of this clown, once again, all loaded with " racistcode words" and BS statements like "There re good people on both sides"

Would you say that there were good Nazis too? (unless they were double agnts who, if caught, would be swinging or shot)

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@maxdancona,

maxdancona wrote:

Let me say it again.

There is a big difference between being persecuted because of the color of your skin... and being criticized because you are a racist asshole.

You are acting as if these two things are the same.

No, you think I'm comparing the causes of the discrimination, but I'm not.

What I'm saying is that there are people who have fascism nagging at them from inside their hearts, where anger, aggression, and hate lurk.

These people can't get themselves straight spiritually, so they look for a target to scapegoat. Once upon a time, they targeted blacks for scapegoating, i.e. because they were a minority without adequate protection. Nowadays, they target conservatives because racism can be blamed on them to justify hating/scapegoating them.

I am just trying to explain to you the fundamental logic of fascist scapegoating. Jews were scapegoated in Europe for centuries before Hitler by being blamed for Jesus' death, for example. How is it different to blame a Jewish person living in Europe in the 1800s for killing Jesus than it is to blame a white person in the 20th century for the African slave trade and slavery?

There is white privilege and there is an unsustainable waste economy in need of reform; but when you scapegoat conservatives and exonerate liberals/Democrats, who just whitewash themselves by shifting the blame to conservative whites, you are doing the same thing as Europeans (former Romans) who shifted the blame to Jews (former Judeans) for the death of Jesus.

Everyone deserves ridicule, which is why we should all put effort into making criticism constructive instead of negative for the sake of putting people down. The only time you should be putting anyone down is when they are fighting against fair discussion, and then only to get them back on track, not to slam them into the ground. As long as people are open to discussing things, it is wrong to just ridicule them instead of explaining your thoughts and listening to theirs.

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@livinglava,

For one, Jesus may just be a made -up story to sell Bibles. Institutional Racism and lynchings are in our recent history, well reported in our newspapers by cowardly press.

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@livinglava,

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How is it different to blame a Jewish person living in Europe in the 1800s for killing Jesus than it is to blame a white person in the 20th century for the African slave trade and slavery?

Do I really have to explain this?

Slavery happened in the United States just 200 years ago. It was our country and our culture, and we still benefit economically from it. The issues that were caused by the evil of slavery and the deadly racism that followed it are still causing pain for Americans. The Confederate flag is still prominent in parts of the United States.

You are being ridiculous.

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@farmerman,

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For one, Jesus may just be a made -up story to sell Bibles. Institutional Racism and lynchings are in our recent history, well reported in our newspapers by cowardly press.

That's not the point. The point is that fascists seek a scapegoat to persecute for things they don't want to share accountability for.

In the case of Jesus' death, ancient Judeans and Romans cooperated to kill Him. In the case of white racism, white Democrats scapegoat white conservatives because they want to believe they are friends of the oppressed.

The irony of you complaining about institutional racism and lynchings is that they are currently being perpetuated and exploited to destroy property in order to stimulate investment in rebuilding to create growth and jobs.

How do you stop the investment and job-creation once the lynching has already been used to provoke the destruction? Cops and survivors can hug and spread COVID19 all day long and it won't bring back the people lynched or the property destroyed and stolen in their name by people wanting to profit from the situation.

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@maxdancona,

maxdancona wrote:

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How is it different to blame a Jewish person living in Europe in the 1800s for killing Jesus than it is to blame a white person in the 20th century for the African slave trade and slavery?

Do I really have to explain this?

Slavery happened in the United States just 200 years ago. It was our country and our culture, and we still benefit economically from it. The issues that were caused by the evil of slavery and the deadly racism that followed it are still causing pain for Americans. The Confederate flag is still prominent in parts of the United States.

Christianity would heal racism if Marxism/socialism would stop twisting the knife of identity politics to stoke rebellion, crime, and other destructive negative reactions.

Blaming and scapegoating never solve problems; they just perpetuate them. It is possible to make the economy fair and sustainable and eliminate waste, envy, and discrimination; but Democrats won't allow that to happen because they don't want prosperity as much as they just want more money for more waste and exploitation.

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@livinglava,

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How is it different to blame a Jewish person living in Europe in the 1800s for killing Jesus than it is to blame a white person in the 20th century for the African slave trade and slavery?

That is a disgusting comparison to make. White people haven’t been scapegoated for the past 2000 years. White people weren’t exterminated in the Holocaust.

White people have never been oppressed just for being white. Black people are being oppressed today.

To compare the hurt feelings of a bunch of thuggish racist scum to the victims of the Holocaust is something only a sick Nazi could do.

I just thought you were a simple minded fascist, but you’re far worse than that. I know you’ve wrapped up the above quotation with your usual fatuous horseshit, but there’s no mistaking the message.

You should hang your head in shame you repulsive Nazi. You have no decency, you have no humanity.

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

livinglava wrote:

How is it different to blame a Jewish person living in Europe in the 1800s for killing Jesus than it is to blame a white person in the 20th century for the African slave trade and slavery?

That is a disgusting comparison to make. White people haven’t been scapegoated for the past 2000 years. White people weren’t exterminated in the Holocaust.

As usual, it doesn't surprise me that you take the strawman to the next level.

There was never a comparison of white and Jewish scapegoating on the whole. The point was to illustrate that a Jewish person being persecuted in 19th century Europe for what ancient Judeans cooperated with ancient Romans to do to Jesus Christ is scapegoating of present day people for things they had no control over when they began before they were born.

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White people have never been oppressed just for being white. Black people are being oppressed today.

For many white, migration to the colonies was due to oppression/exploitation by European regimes at the time. Whites were slaves as well as privileged beneficiaries of slavery in Europe, just as there were Africans benefiting from slaving in Africa in addition to those being captured and sent across the oceans as slaves.

To this day, Europeans still benefit from post-colonial economic exploitation. You are one of these people who pretends that Europe is independent of the global economy, but it isn't and never has been.

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To compare the hurt feelings of a bunch of thuggish racist scum to the victims of the Holocaust is something only a sick Nazi could do.

You are stereotyping all white people as "thuggish racist scum."

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I just thought you were a simple minded fascist, but you’re far worse than that. I know you’ve wrapped up the above quotation with your usual fatuous horseshit, but there’s no mistaking the message.

You are a Marxist/socialist stoker of conflict to sew seeds of destruction for the sake of stimulating investment in job-creation, so that puts you on the side of those who incite social conflict to drive cops to point where some lose control and suspects get killed. You blame the cops, but you deny the inflammatory social-cultural context that causes the war between drugs and peaceful society in the first place, which is a product of historical Marxist/socialist anti-morality.

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You should hang your head in shame you repulsive Nazi. You have no decency, you have no humanity.

Marxists have no humanity. They destroy religion and replace it with drugs, incite conflict between classes to sew seeds of destruction and rationalize it all by believing it is leading to communism, when all it really leads to is more jobs rebuilding what has been destroyed and murdered as a result of moral erosion. You baselessly call me a Nazi while you yourself are probably a Stalinist Marxist ready to send all conservatives off to the gulags.

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@maxdancona,

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I have an IQ of 171, so I can take it.

Do you also smell your own farts and then whack off to the smell?

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Mark Zuckerberg (runs Facebook) is certainly not liberal, and Twitter isn't liberal (if you don't count it's spat with the president).

What Bizarro world are you living in??? This goes back to what I was saying about two different versions of reality. But in no reality are facebook or Twitter anything but far left. They are objectively far left by every conceivable measure. What you are demonstrating, is how the left has controlled the culture for so long and to such a far reaching degree, that they view anything other than extreme leftism as "not liberal".

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Conservatives are well represented on Twitter and Facebook.

In what alternate universe??? Do you really believe this or are you trolling me? Or are you old and out of touch? Conservatives getting banned from or censored by big tech is so well known now that it's become a meme. The 'blue check mark liberal', getting "Alex Jones'd', etc.

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There are prominent websites (RedState, NationalReview) none of them have any problem promoting their view with the full support of the Tech industry. ...RedState keeps socialist posts off of their site, or NationalGunForum banning users who push a gun control agenda.

I literally never heard of these sites before I read this post. I guarantee you that these sites do not have BILLIONS of users not to mention the power and money that companies like Twitter and Facebook have. The biggest tech companies (all provably liberal) have more power than most countries, maybe even all countries and governments.

There was also some post here I wanted to comment on, but I can't remember where it is. I think it was either you or someone else where a comment was made to the effect of "When I see that a comment has been down-voted so much that it's collapsed and then I look at it, I understand why."

So that's actually an appeal to popularity logical fallacy or Argumentum ad populum. There are innumerable examples of this. Some of the most obvious are things in popular culture that are awful. Hairstyles from the 1970's, Justin Beiber, the Twilight movies, etc. But there are also plenty of examples of bad ideas and bad human behavior that stem from group think and appeal to popularity. Think Salem witch trials...

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@Setanta,

Bro...

How can we be lovers if we can't be friends?

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@neptuneblue,

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Have a discussion about abortion and you'll quickly understand a liberal viewpoint is morally and ethically wrong to most conservatives, where there is no room for any other opinion except for theirs. Hence, there's no debate, just rhetoric designed to squelch basic body autonomy.

Liberals viewpoint on this matter holds no "basic body autonomy" for the bodies of the babies being murdered. Murder is morally wrong.

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Your tirade against mega search engines follows a user's preferences as a guide and somehow you think that's a political maneuver designed specifically against conservatives.

Google, for example, has manipulated search results for more than a decade. Proven. Multiple sources showed how they rigged search results in favor of Hillary during the 2016 election. Google manipulates search results to fit leftist ideology. For instance, if you google search "American Inventors" almost all the initial results that come up are black people. I guess the most noteworthy American inventors of all time were almost all black people. Seems legit, I mean this is information coming from Google. That's a completely credible source of information that wouldn't selectively edit history to fit an ideological agenda, right?

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