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Joe Biden will be the Democratic nominee.

 
 
maxdancona
 
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Reply Wed 11 Mar, 2020 05:51 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
No worse. Mr. Obama also wanted to violate people's civil liberties, and wanted to do it for no reason other than his own sadistic pleasure.


Thank you Oralloy. Obama was elected twice, and that makes me feel better about Biden's chances.

Actually, I don't think guns matter very much to this election. I understand that they are very important to you... but your vote isn't in play (there is no way in hell you aren't voting for Trump).

Trump ran in 2016 on stopping ("illegal") immigration and fighting Islam. And honestly, these are areas that Trump can claim some success. I think you will see immigration as the core issue from the Trump side.

Biden simply against Trump. Trump has high disapproval ratings. To win, Biden mainly has to argue a return to normalcy.
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 11 Mar, 2020 05:58 pm
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:
Actually, I don't think guns matter very much to this election.

I agree. But there is more to consider than just the election.

In the highly unlikely event that Biden is elected, gun control will have a huge impact on his presidency.

It will ensure that he does not achieve anything and is then defeated in the next election.

Look at what gun control did to Mr. Obama's second term.


maxdancona wrote:
Trump has high disapproval ratings. To win, Biden mainly has to argue a return to normalcy.

I disagree. The election is going to be a referendum on the Democratic nominee and his fitness for office. Neither Biden nor Sanders is likely to pass that test.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Wed 11 Mar, 2020 06:00 pm
@oralloy,
I think Biden will win. Trump's disapproval ratings are simply too high, and the news keeps getting worse for him.

Assuming Biden wins, I am not sure I need him to "achieve" anything. His appeal is that he is not Trump.

I want Biden to be a one term president.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Wed 11 Mar, 2020 06:03 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
I disagree. The election is going to be a referendum on the Democratic nominee and his fitness for office. Neither Biden nor Sanders is likely to pass that test.


Trump is the incumbent. He is the one asking for four more years. He is the one who has been at the helm for the past 4 years. Generally the "referendum" is on the incumbent. This has nothing to do with who Trump is. It is generally how these second term elections work.

oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 11 Mar, 2020 06:06 pm
@maxdancona,
I do not agree that that is how second term elections work.

I think it's going to be a referendum on the challenger and their fitness for office.
farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 11 Mar, 2020 06:12 pm
@oralloy,
I agree there. However, the "fitness" that American voters seem to be questioning is that of Der Fuhrer's
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Wed 11 Mar, 2020 06:17 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
That is not a falsehood.

Claiming that a semi-auto-only weapon "is a weapon of assault" is a falsehood.

No it's not.

oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
There would be no violation of people's civil liberties at all.

Outlawing pistol grips on a semi-auto rifle violates people's civil liberties.

Outlawing AR-15 assault weapons is not a violation of people's civil liberties at all.

oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
Wrong. Biden is not trying to violate the Second Amendment.

Outlawing pistol grips on semi-auto rifles violates the Second Amendment.

Outlawing AR-15 assault weapons is not a violation of the Second Amendment.

oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
Wrong. There is no lie and no violation of civil liberties in reasonable gun control that Biden is advocating.

Outlawing pistol grips on semi-auto rifles is a violation of civil liberties.

See response above.

oralloy wrote:

Therefore Biden is lying when he says that he is not trying to violate people's civil liberties.

No he's not.

Quote:

It never fails that people who oppose civil liberties use terms like "reasonable".

There is nothing unreasonable about, or in opposition to civil liberties in, the gun control that Biden is advocating.

oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
Wrong. Biden's intentions are not an active violation of anyone's civil liberties.

Outlawing pistol grips on semi-auto rifles violates people's civil liberties.

See response above.

oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
Ok. However, there is no opposition to civil liberties here, so your contention is irrelevant.

Outlawing pistol grips on semi-auto rifles violates people's civil liberties.

See response above.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Wed 11 Mar, 2020 06:18 pm
@InfraBlue,
Isn't there another thread for you two to bicker about guns?
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 11 Mar, 2020 06:35 pm
@maxdancona,
Since Mr. Biden is so devoted to his quest to violate people's civil liberties for no reason other than his own sadistic pleasure, any discussion of his candidacy is likely to touch on the subject.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 11 Mar, 2020 06:49 pm
@InfraBlue,
My reply to your post can be found here:
https://able2know.org/topic/131081-409#post-6971670
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 11 Mar, 2020 08:27 pm
@maxdancona,
You're welcome.
McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 11 Mar, 2020 08:29 pm
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:

I think [insert any name here] will win. Trump's disapproval ratings are simply too high, and the news keeps getting worse for him.

Assuming [insert any name here] wins, I am not sure I need him to "achieve" anything. His appeal is that he is not Trump.

I want [insert any name here] to be a one term president.



Fixed that for you.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Wed 11 Mar, 2020 08:29 pm
@McGentrix,
Thanks?

To be honest, my vote will have nothing to do with guns. It is not an issue I care very much about. And... I also admit freely that my vote is already set in stone anyway.

I think Trump will talk a lot about immigration and Muslims.

I think Biden will talk a lot about what he sees as Trump's failures.
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Wed 11 Mar, 2020 08:31 pm
@McGentrix,
Actually, you may have missed my point. Bernie Sanders would create a very different election.

If Sanders were the nominee, the election would be about Socialism. We would have heard about Sanders alleged support for Venezuela, and Cuba ... and unfortunately there are videos of Sanders saying things that would make these attacks credible. Sanders is uniquely vulnerable to Trump's line of attack.

Sure, there will be attacks on Biden over his son and Ukraine. They won't be nearly as effective as the attacks on Sanders uncomfortable past comments on socialist leaders.

I am arguing that Biden, unlike Sanders, is the boring candidate. Instead of arguing over socialism, the election will be about Trump.

McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 11 Mar, 2020 08:36 pm
@maxdancona,
You must not know Biden very well then. He is a pinata of things.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Wed 11 Mar, 2020 08:38 pm
@McGentrix,
Sorry, I edited my post after you responded.

I don't think the attacks on Biden will land with swing voters... not nearly as much as the attacks on Sanders would

Remember that you and I aren't in play.
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 11 Mar, 2020 08:39 pm
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:
Sure, there will be attacks on Biden over his son and Ukraine. They won't be nearly as effective as the attacks on Sanders uncomfortable past comments on socialist leaders.

They will, however, be effective enough to reelect Mr. Trump.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 11 Mar, 2020 08:41 pm
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The Democrats apparently have their candidate. But they did not settle on Joe Biden; they settled for Joe Biden.

It was not that long ago that many in the mainstream media were writing off the Biden campaign and counting down the days until its end. CNN reminded its viewers that President Obama reportedly told Biden, “You don’t have to do this, Joe, you really don’t.” Pundits described the Biden campaign as “unsteady” and how Biden “isn’t a polished speaker anymore.” They questioned whether he “was up for this” in the upcoming campaign against his primary rivals — and eventually President Donald Trump. Despite recent descriptions of Biden as a phoenix rising and a comeback kid, those earlier observations about Biden and his campaign were correct then and remain correct now.

Joe Biden is the same flawed candidate that he was a few short weeks ago. The only difference is that Democrats now have no other option to keep the nomination from Bernie Sanders.

While former Democrat Chairwoman Donna Brazile may tell me to “go to hell,” it cannot be disputed that Democrats did everything they could to stop Sanders from getting their nomination. They changed their debate rules to allow Michael Bloomberg to participate in the Nevada and South Carolina debates, despite Bloomberg’s name not appearing on the ballot in either of those states.

Once it became clear that Bloomberg’s billions couldn’t buy the Democrat nomination, much less the presidency, the Democrat establishment reluctantly returned to the candidate they had left for political dead weeks prior. The decision could not have been an easy one. For Democrats to rally behind Biden now, they must ignore the reason his campaign was on life support. Joe Biden was a bad candidate then, and he is a bad candidate now.

Despite being the presumed front-runner for months, Biden was out-fundraised and out-organized by the former mayor of the fourth-largest city in Indiana. Joe Biden often forgets where he is, recently told voters in South Carolina that he was running for the U.S. Senate, and has even had trouble recalling President Obama’s name. He lies about his past and forgets or confuses basic historic facts, such as the end of the Declaration of Independence or his statement that he negotiated the horrible 2016 Paris Climate Agreement with former Chinese Premier Deng Xiaoping, who left office in 1992 and died in 1997.

To make matters worse for Democrats, they settled for Biden but didn’t get any separation from Bernie’s radical policies out of the deal. Both Biden and Bernie support programs that would disrupt and eliminate private health insurance for millions of Americans, provide taxpayer funded health care for illegal immigrants, require trillions of dollars in tax increases, eliminate millions of blue-collar jobs, open the borders to criminal illegal immigrants, allow taxpayer-funded abortion without limits, and confiscate legally owned guns from law-abiding Americans.

In addition, Biden will have to defend his family getting rich off his public service, his support for trade deals such as NAFTA and TPP — which labor unions hated for sacrificing the jobs and interests of American workers — and the discriminatory crime bill he helped write in the 1990s that resulted in millions of black Americans being locked up.

Biden has performed miserably on the debate stage with his fellow Democrats, and recent reports suggesting he needs to be seated during a one-on-one debate with Bernie Sanders should cause Democrats to question how he could possibly hold up in a debate against President Trump.

Add it all up and one conclusion becomes strikingly clear, Joe Biden didn’t win the Democrat nomination; he is the party’s consolation candidate because his name isn’t Bernie. Settling for a flawed nominee has never worked well for Democrats — just ask Walter Mondale, John Kerry, and Hillary Clinton.


RCP
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 11 Mar, 2020 08:42 pm
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:
I don't think the attacks on Biden will land with swing voters... not nearly as much as the attacks on Sanders would

I think the attacks on Mr. Biden, if he is the nominee, will be effective enough to reelect Mr. Trump.
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Wed 11 Mar, 2020 09:12 pm
@McGentrix,
We will see over the next few months if that is true.

My predictions are that this is a fairly boring election that will be centered on Trump... his failures and his successes. I think Trump will attack Biden, but I think these punches won't land in middle America.

I also predict that Trump will be judged harshly for the corona virus. Of course, the pandemic isn't his fault (but life isn't fair that way). I do think that Americans will have legitimate criticism of his leadership during the crisis.

I am sure you two disagree. But over the next few months we will all know I am right.
 

 
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