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Heaven & Hell

 
 
HabibUrrehman
 
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Reply Tue 5 Nov, 2019 10:55 am
@harpazo,
The way that the story of Job unfolds in Bible is highly problematic for a number of reasons.

First, the Bible describes Job as a righteous man, that he is “blameless and upright”. Now, it’s very easy to be happy with God when times are good. True piety, however, is being happy with God when one has nothing. Showing gratitude to God and remaining steadfast in the face of trials is a sign of strong faith. So, from this point of view, hasn’t Satan effectively “one-upped” God – Satan challenged God when he predicted that Job would curse God, and so haven’t Job’s blasphemies proven Satan to be correct?

Secondly, how is it that the young man Elihu, who, unlike Job, is not a Prophet, demonstrates more wisdom in religious matters than a Prophet of God? Recall that the Bible stated that there was “no one on earth” like Job, yet this young man seems to possess more insight into Job’s situation than Job himself.

The way the stories of prophets are told in Bible are very problematic. Prophets are supposed to be our role models but Bible describes them as human beings with worse moral character.
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Tue 5 Nov, 2019 11:57 am
@harpazo,
harpazo wrote:

If heaven is eternal, so is hell and vice-versa. Your thoughts?
If heaven is not real, then hell is not real. Your thoughts?

It's best not to believe in any of that ridiculousness.
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harpazo
 
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Reply Tue 5 Nov, 2019 01:13 pm
@edgarblythe,
Reply to number 9 below.

That's not God doing the destroying. That is a prophetic warning from God, to His people who had made a covenant to worship only Him, that because of spiritual harlotry, a vicious nation would arise to destroy them by the sword. The soldiers of that cruel nation would dash their children to the ground and rip their pregnant women open. 

God's own people had followed the ways of the pagans and even sacrificed their own children to Baal at Topheth in the valley of Ben Hinnom.

Even so, God also foretold judgment on the destroyers still to come. "But all who devour you will be devoured; all your enemies will go into exile. Those who plundered you will be plundered; all who make spoil of you I will despoil. But I will restore you to health and heal your wounds' declares the Lord, 'because you are called an outcast, Zion for whom no-one cares." Clearly that's not what the text says dumb, dumb. Your knowledge of Scripture is elementary.

Reply to number 8 later.


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oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 2 Feb, 2020 08:17 pm
@edgarblythe,
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9. God destroys the fetuses of those who do not worship him.

This is not the only feticidal passage in the bible, but it is the worst:

"You shall acknowledge no God but me. . . . You are destroyed, Israel. . . . The people of Samaria must bear their guilt, because they have rebelled against their God. They will fall by the sword; their little ones will be dashed to the ground, their pregnant women ripped open." (Hosea 13:4, 9, 16 New International Version)

The northern Israelite kingdom was destroyed by the Neo-Assyrian Empire. I don't think God was to blame for those ten lost tribes.


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8. God approves the massacre of a peaceful people so one of his tribes could have a place to live.

Most believers think God destroyed the Canaanites because they were depraved and immoral, although the bible does not make that claim. They were killed -- and labeled "evil" and "wicked" -- simply because they did not worship him. Here is a group of people who did nothing wrong. They were "at peace and secure," but they had to be eliminated.

"And in those days the tribe of the Danites was seeking a place of their own where they might settle, because they had not yet come into an inheritance among the tribes of Israel. . . . Then they said to [the priest], 'Please inquire of God to learn whether our journey will be successful.' The priest answered them, 'Go in peace. Your journey has the Lord's approval.' . . . Then they took what Micah had made, and his priest, and went on to Laish, against a people at peace and secure. They attacked them with the sword and burned down their city. . . . The Danites rebuilt the city and settled there." (Judges 18:1--28 NIV)

The Canaanites were not the evildoers. The Israelites were the invaders!

Archaeology shows that the Israelites were the direct descendants of the Canaanites. As such, the Israelites were the original indigenous population of the West Bank area, as are their Jewish descendants today.
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