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Reyn
 
Reply Thu 2 Jun, 2005 08:34 pm
Liberals push gay marriage on fast track to become law this summer
at 17:41 on June 2, 2005, EST.
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OTTAWA (CP) - All signals say Canada will soon become just the third country worldwide to legalize gay weddings.

Senators will sit well into July if need be to consider same-sex marriage and two budget bills. Jack Austin, the government leader in the Senate, made the commitment Thursday in response to news that the Liberals will push the bills through the House of Commons.

If passed as expected, Canada would join a vanguard of gay marriage-friendly nations that includes only Belgium and the Netherlands.

Prime Minister Paul Martin says it's essential that the legislation clear the House - even if MPs must stay later than June 23, the last scheduled day for this sitting.

"There's no doubt that . . . it's legislation that must pass," Martin said. "And we want it to pass. And parliamentarians are here to do the job."

It's more likely that the Liberals, supported by most NDP and Bloc Quebecois MPs, will cut off debate rather than extend the House sitting.

That rankles most Conservatives, who have fought same-sex marriage at every turn.

"I'm very concerned about the way this bill is being pushed forward," said Conservative justice critic Vic Toews.

His party will press for several "substantive amendments" in its bid to preserve the century-old definition of marriage as the exclusive domain of one man and one woman.

Failing that, Toews says it's essential that religious officials be better protected from having to oversee weddings or lease out banquet halls against their beliefs.

While Ottawa has stressed that churches won't be forced to perform gay marriages, provincial officials are still vulnerable, he says.

For example, several marriage commissioners in Manitoba have already resigned after receiving provincial instructions to perform same-sex unions. Similar conflicts have arisen in British Columbia and Saskatchewan.

Gay marriage has proven to be a flashpoint issue with the power to split families, political parties and Canadians in general.

Polls show voters are almost evenly split.

Austin says the Senate will hold more hearings to allow Canadians a say on gay marriage.

"Very often the House will pass legislation without hearing from people, and (then) we hear from them. We don't rush at things, but we will sit until it's properly done."

That would likely take until mid-July if the House passes the bills by June 23, Austin said.

Alex Munter, national co-ordinator of Canadians for Equal Marriage, says it's about time.

"Canadians are ready for Parliament to decide. After two years of debate, everybody's made up their mind."

Still, a vocal lobby of religious and family rights groups is dismayed that gay marriage could soon be the law of the land.

More than three dozen Liberals are also against same-sex weddings, including some senators.

But support from the NDP and Bloc, along with a healthy majority of Liberal proponents in the Senate, likely mean the definition of marriage will soon change.

Courts in seven provinces and the Yukon have already ruled that excluding gay and lesbian couples violates equality rights.

That cleared the way for more than 3,000 same-sex weddings across most of Canada.

Prince Edward Island, New Brunswick and Alberta are the only provinces that refuse to issue licences to gay couples.
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Reyn
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jun, 2005 07:36 pm
It has finally come to pass in Canada. There are going to be some real happy men and women tonight!

Historic Commons vote paves way for same-sex marriage across Canada

at 21:06 on June 28, 2005, EST.
ALEXANDER PANETTA

OTTAWA (CP) - It was fought in courtrooms, in legislatures, in street protests, and one of the most turbulent debates in Canadian history was settled Tuesday with a vote in Parliament.

The House of Commons voted to adopt controversial legislation that will make Canada the third country in the world to legalize same-sex marriage. Several Liberals marked the occasion by invoking the memory of their party's philosopher king, Pierre Trudeau.

It was the late Liberal prime minister who decriminalized homosexuality in 1969, and whose Charter of Rights and Freedoms became the legal cudgel that smashed the traditional definition of marriage.

Barely two years ago the Liberal government was still fighting same-sex couples in courts across the land.

It changed its tune amid an onslaught of legal verdicts in eight provinces that found traditional marriage laws violated the charter's guarantee of equality for all Canadians.

"(This) is about the Charter of Rights," Prime Minister Paul Martin said earlier Tuesday.

"We are a nation of minorities. And in a nation of minorities, it is important that you don't cherry-pick rights.

"A right is a right and that is what this vote tonight is all about."

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Reyn
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jun, 2005 03:47 pm
Here's some interesting background about the fight for same-sex marriage and homosexual rights. Hard to believe that here we are 40 years later.

INDEPTH: SAME-SEX RIGHTS
The Supreme Court and same-sex marriage

CBC News Online | June 29, 2005

Gay rights in Canada have come a long way since 1965. That year, Everett Klippert told police investigating a case of arson that he was homosexual and that he had been having sex with men for 24 years.

Klippert was charged with gross indecency and sentenced to three years in prison. While doing his time, he was interviewed by two psychiatrists who concluded that Klippert could be described as a dangerous sexual offender.

He was ordered jailed for life. Two years later, the Supreme Court of Canada upheld the sentence.

In 1969, the federal government decriminalized homosexuality. Klippert would remain in prison until July 20, 1971.

Ten years later, Toronto would hold its first Gay Pride Day, an event that has become the second-largest annual celebration in North America of gay life.

As the 25th annual pride week wound up, Canadian politicians prepared to pass legislation that would change the definition of marriage to include the unions of same-sex couples. Most provinces had already moved to recognize same-sex marriage.

On June 17, 2003, Prime Minister Jean Chrétien announced his intention to legalize same-sex unions. The draft legislation would also recognize the rights of religious groups to "sanctify marriage as they see fit." The decision meant the federal government would not appeal lower court rulings that same-sex couples had the same right to marry as opposite-sex couples.

The issue has caused an uproar among many church leaders and traditionalists, who argue the government does not have the right to redefine marriage.

But on Dec. 9, 2004, the Supreme Court of Canada ruled that Ottawa does have exclusive jurisdiction to decide who has the right to get married in this country - but that religious groups are not obliged to perform unions against their beliefs.

The decision means that same-sex marriages performed in eight provinces and one territory are legal and must be recognized. Same-sex marriages are not performed in Alberta, P.E.I., Nunavut and the Northwest Territories, but the Nunavut government will recognize same-sex marriages performed elsewhere.

The fight may not be over - Alberta's justice minister responded to the Supreme Court decision by saying the province's marriage law, which defines marriage as a union between a man and a woman, won't be changed.

On May 5, 2005, the government's same-sex marriage bill passed a second reading, moving it closer to becoming law.

June 28, 2005:
In the final stages of the vote, federal cabinet ministers in opposition to Bill C-38 are urged to reject it. MP Pat O'Brien, who left the Liberal party over the issue, says some Liberals in cabinet have voted in the past to uphold the traditional definition of marriage. The now-Independent member believes they are being forced to vote in favour of same-sex unions or lose their cabinet posts.

The bill is expected to clear the House after a third and final reading in an evening vote. It will clear the Senate in late July, making Canada the third country in the world to legalize gay marriage, after Belgium and the Netherlands.

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ehBeth
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jun, 2005 05:10 pm
Doing the total happy dance on this.
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Reyn
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jun, 2005 05:38 pm
It's hard to believe now that people were put in jail (like the fellow in above article) for homosexual acts, and 3 years, too!

How the times change.....
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jun, 2005 05:48 pm
Doesn't the United States get a little credit?

There are legal gay marriages here.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jun, 2005 05:59 pm
mmmm ok then
sure
you can have some credit

just don't try to buy anything big with it Cool
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Reyn
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jun, 2005 06:13 pm
ebrown_p wrote:
Doesn't the United States get a little credit?

There are legal gay marriages here.

Yes, but I believe it is only certain states? Don't know which ones, off the top of my head.

Canada is now list as the 3rd country to legalize same-sex marriage. Not just certain provinces.
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the prince
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jun, 2005 01:13 am
Beth, do I pop the question to "M" now ?
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jun, 2005 12:22 pm
Can I be your best girl?

Very Happy
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jun, 2005 12:38 pm
Reyn wrote:
ebrown_p wrote:
Doesn't the United States get a little credit?

There are legal gay marriages here.

Yes, but I believe it is only certain states? Don't know which ones, off the top of my head.

Canada is now list as the 3rd country to legalize same-sex marriage. Not just certain provinces.


Here is some info on the U.S. situation......
THE UNITED STATES
Many states have passed amendments to their constitutions defining marriage as the union of a man and a woman. Congress has failed to approve a similar amendment to the US constitution.

President George W Bush has made clear that he supports such an amendment but said that individual states would still be able to make their own arrangements on unions - which offer couples some of the same rights as marriage.


In 2000, Vermont became the first US state to offer homosexuals the right to join in civil unions, giving them the same benefits as married couples on matters such as life insurance, health care and child custody.

In April 2005, Connecticut became the second US state to allow same-sex civil unions - and the first to do so without orders from a court. But it specifically defined marriage as being the union of a man and a woman.

San Francisco started issuing marriage licences to same-sex couples in February 2004, after the new mayor defied state law and allowed gay weddings. The move was later annulled by the state Supreme Court. But in a victory for gay-rights advocates, in March 2005 a San Francisco judge ruled that the law banning same-sex marriage was unconstitutional.

Massachusetts became the first state to issue marriage licences for gay couples in May 2004. State legislators have proposed a constitutional amendment that would ban gay marriages, but would allow civil unions. If the proposal passes further legal hurdles, it will go to the voters in a referendum in autumn 2006.

In Oregon, officials in the Portland area began issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples in 2004, before an amendment to the state constitution banning such weddings was approved by voters in November. But Governor Ted Kulongoski said he would back a new law which would allow gay couples to form civil unions.
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Reyn
 
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Reply Sat 16 Jul, 2005 05:01 pm
PROTECTING GAY MARRIAGE IN MASSACHUSETTSSource[/color]
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Reyn
 
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Reply Sun 17 Jul, 2005 01:01 pm
Catholics threaten over gay marriage law
OTTAWA | July 17, 2005 8:13:51 AM IST

Catholic leaders in Canada warn the church might not baptize the children of same-sex couples if the country legalizes gay marriage as expected next week.

The archbishop of Quebec, Cardinal Marc Oullet, told lawmakers in Ottawa last week the new law would not be compatible with church law, the Los Angeles Times reported.

If I take the example of the ceremony of baptism, he said, according to our canon law, we cannot accept the signatures of two fathers or two mothers as parents of an infant.

The legislation, passed last month by Canada's House of Commons, redefines civil marriage as the lawful union of two persons to the exclusion of all others -- not just between a man and a woman. It allows religious officials to refuse to perform marriages not in accordance with religious beliefs.

A Canadian Senate committee is expected to recommend Monday that the full Senate approve the legislation.

The church has chastised Catholic politicians in Canada, including Prime Minister Paul Martin, who is Catholic, for supporting the legislation.

Belgium, Spain and the Netherlands allow same-sex marriage.

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Einherjar
 
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Reply Mon 18 Jul, 2005 02:23 am
ebrown_p wrote:
Doesn't the United States get a little credit?

There are legal gay marriages here.


Are gay marriages recognized by immigration?
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AngeliqueEast
 
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Reply Mon 18 Jul, 2005 02:28 am
I'm happy for them, if marriage is what they want.
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