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Nudity & why it is a negative thing in US society

 
 
Linkat
 
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Mon 22 Jul, 2019 09:25 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:


In the US (and on A2K), representations of sex and nudity are feared much more than those of violence. You can write here that you want to nuke millions of people, and nothing will happen to your post. But show one single nipple, and your post will be tagged NSFW and removed from sight, as happened to one of my recent posts showing a painting by William-Adolphe Bouguereau, "girl defending herself against Eros".


I think the NSFW is used so those that would be offended have a choice not to open it (also can save you if you are looking at this at work) - not sure it is so much "fear".

But I do think there should be something similar in regard to violence because something violent can be offensive as well - but I think this is used for anything that is violent as well? Maybe I am wrong?
maxdancona
 
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Mon 22 Jul, 2019 09:28 am
@tsarstepan,
tsarstepan wrote:

funcouple wrote:

nudity and being naked is seen as a negative thing.

The history of Puritanism in America; the American Taliban AKA the conservative US Evangelical population; and many other socially conservative reasons....

The fact that this thread was marked NSFW despite nothing in this thread displays anyone visually naked and nothing explicitly sexual has yet to be posted? That's kind of telling.


Ironically, Feminists have become the new Puritans. It is feminists who are regulating sexual expression and railing against depictions of sexuality in public.
tsarstepan
 
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Mon 22 Jul, 2019 09:31 am
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:

Ironically, Feminists have become the new Puritans. It is feminists who are regulating sexual expression and railing against depictions of sexuality in public.


I love how you generalize a population as much as you hate being generalized into groups you often side with or are group adjacent to.
BillRM
 
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Mon 22 Jul, 2019 09:39 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

Nudity is seen as negative in societies that repress sex quite a lot, e.g. in most Muslim countries. Of course, all societies regulate sex one way or the other, but some more than others.

In the US (and on A2K), representations of sex and nudity are feared much more than those of violence. You can write here that you want to nuke millions of people, and nothing will happen to your post. But show one single nipple, and your post will be tagged NSFW and removed from sight, as happened to one of my recent posts showing a painting by William-Adolphe Bouguereau, "girl defending herself against Eros".

To be fair it sported two nipples. That was really pushing it...


I remember as a teenager not understanding why movies have more of a problem showing naked bodies then showing John Wayne bayoneting someone in a war movie.
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maxdancona
 
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Mon 22 Jul, 2019 09:41 am
@tsarstepan,
I don't know what you are talking about.... I don't mind being "generalized into groups" whatever that means. It seems you are being hypocritical, you certainly had a "generalized group" in mind.

I think I am correct... a lot of modern repression of sexual expression comes from modern ideas about feminism. Any expression of sexuality in public from advertising, to popular songs to flirting is seen as a threat to the innocence of women.

I have a friend from Spain who went out on a date with an American man which went well. The man asked for permission to kiss her. She burst out laughing... the idea that men are now afraid to kiss a woman is ridiculous in most cultures... but here we are. The poor guy was chastened, and I don't think he got his kiss. In most cultures, after a good date a man will go for a kiss... and be man enough to accept the consequences.

And women in most places like it this way, it is part of a social ritual; a normal expression of human sexuality.

This is coming from feminism. Do you disagree?
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Olivier5
 
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Mon 22 Jul, 2019 12:00 pm
@Linkat,
Quote:
I think the NSFW is used so those that would be offended have a choice not to open it (also can save you if you are looking at this at work) - not sure it is so much "fear".

Ok, fine. Work matters. I see a good reason to not allow the development of porn or dating threads on A2. It's not the business model.

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But I do think there should be something similar in regard to violence because something violent can be offensive as well

Yes. That's really my point: many things are offensive to many people, so where do you draw the line between what is tagged as potentially offensive and what is not? The world is vast and cultures differ on these things, eg respective to the relative offensiveness of nude vs. violent.

A few years ago, some of us contributed to a thread on scifi and fantasy illustration. As one would imagine, I jumped on the occasion to sprinkle the inévitable galery of barbariens, aliens, planets and rocket ships, with some future exiquisite damsels -- not in distress but nevertheless of the 'scantily clad' variety. Stuff like this:
https://farm7.static.flickr.com/6199/6078669429_7904b30d39_o.jpg
The thing is I can't find this thread anymore. It looks like it's been cancelled.
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McGentrix
 
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Mon 22 Jul, 2019 12:20 pm
@funcouple,
funcouple wrote:

My husband and I are going to share this profile and we are wondering why nudity and being naked is seen as a negative thing.


Because of children. You need to think of the children...
cicerone imposter
 
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Mon 22 Jul, 2019 01:57 pm
@McGentrix,
Quote:
Because of children. You need to think of the children...
Think of the children? You're doing just the opposite of what is healthy.
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Another reason why Japanese are accustomed to being naked is Japan’s love of bathing. It is common for children to bathe with parents in the home. Moreover, everyone gets naked at an onsen or hot spring. Although most etiquette books recommend a small towel to cover the necessities, anyone that has really been to an onsen knows that this rarely happens. Men let it hang out as if it was a competition while older women in their separate adjacent hot spring are giving the younger crowd a clear view of what they have to look forward to when they age. Bathing and walking from bath to bath is done with little shame.
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BillRM
 
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Mon 22 Jul, 2019 06:28 pm
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:

funcouple wrote:

My husband and I are going to share this profile and we are wondering why nudity and being naked is seen as a negative thing.


Because of children. You need to think of the children...


You joking correct?
ekename
 
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Mon 22 Jul, 2019 07:43 pm
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Potential for injuries on those parts that hang

I probably can come up with other stuff but that is just off the top of head.


Parts that hang off the top of the head could be construed as SFW.
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McGentrix
 
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Mon 22 Jul, 2019 10:48 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

McGentrix wrote:

funcouple wrote:

My husband and I are going to share this profile and we are wondering why nudity and being naked is seen as a negative thing.


Because of children. You need to think of the children...


You joking correct?


Kind of... So many people believe that seeing a nude body will corrupt their children and turn them into drug addicted sex slaves. I believe that is the primary driving force behind the anti-nudity movement. Heaven forbid a child should see a boob.
maxdancona
 
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Tue 23 Jul, 2019 07:47 am
@McGentrix,
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WASHINGTON, DC—As the nation approaches the one-year anniversary of the Super Bowl XXXVIII tragedy, an FCC study shows that millions of U.S. children were severely traumatized by the exposure to a partially nude female breast during the Feb. 1, 2004 halftime show.

“No one who lived through that day is likely to forget the horror,” said noted child therapist Dr. Eli Wasserbaum. “But it was especially hard on the children.”

The tragic wardrobe malfunction occurred approximately 360 days ago, during Janet Jackson and Justin Timberlake’s performance of “Rock Your Body,” when Timberlake tore Jackson’s costume, accidentally revealing her right breast.


https://www.theonion.com/u-s-children-still-traumatized-one-year-after-seeing-p-1819567718

Have you forgotten this incident?
cicerone imposter
 
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Tue 23 Jul, 2019 11:26 am
@McGentrix,
Quote:
Heaven forbid a child should see a boob.
Most were fed by those boobs.
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oralloy
 
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Sat 27 Jul, 2019 04:00 am
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:
Have you forgotten this incident?

It was the only part of the game that I saw (I just happened to be walking by the TV to the kitchen to get a snack).

I didn't realize what I had seen until I heard about the controversy the next day.
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roger
 
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Sat 27 Jul, 2019 02:34 pm
@maxdancona,
Some people are easily traumatized.
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funcouple
 
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Sat 14 Sep, 2019 12:39 am
wow since we posted this thread there has sure been a lot of comments.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Sat 14 Sep, 2019 01:01 am
@funcouple,
The Freikörperkultur (FKK), "free body culture", in Germany is widespread, as may be particularly noticeable in the summer months.

It's a part of German culture, just like techno music and "Spargelzeit," the asparagus season. Even though the practice of "free body culture" is dwindling among the younger generations, you'll still find lots of FKK areas on beaches as well as nude culture enthusiasts in spas — and even parks (the English Garden in Munich and the Tiergarten in Berlin are two of the most famous parks in Germany with nude areas).

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In late 19th century Germany, the idea of taking off clothes in order to liberate oneself was revolutionary.[2] German naturism was part of the Lebensreform movement and the Wandervogel youth movement of 1896, from Steglitz, Berlin which promoted ideas of fitness and vigour. At the same time doctors of the Natural Healing Movement were using heliotherapy, treating diseases such as TB, rheumatism and scrofula with exposure to sunlight.[3]

At the start of the twentieth century the German naturism movement looked to Scandinavia as a model.[2] The term Nacktkultur refers to a network of over 200 private clubs in Germany which promote nudism as a way of connecting the individual to nature. The term was coined in 1902 by Heinrich Pudor, who published a 3-volume treatise in 1906 connecting nudism, vegetarianism and social reform. However, its roots might go back as far as the 1870s.[4] Its major promoters were Adolf Koch and Hans Suren. Germany published the first journal of nudism between 1902 and 1932.[5] The German naturism movement was careful to de-eroticise the naked body, which was not regarded as sexually provocative in itself. Instead it was believed that civilisation had taught us to look upon nudity as sexual.[2]
Wikipedia - full article has more infos and links.
funcouple
 
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Sat 14 Sep, 2019 01:40 am
we completely agree with you
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cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 14 Sep, 2019 01:58 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Japan and the US, many decades ago (before WWII) in the US, Japanese used public baths where they had huge wooden bathtubs where everybody shared it together. We had those in concentration camps too, but after WWII, I think those things in the US disappeared.
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