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Men: To hug or not to hug?

 
 
Reyn
 
Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 11:17 am
Manhug!
As men rub up against "The Embrace," confusion arises over when, where and how to do it

By Douglas Brown
Denver Post Staff Writer
DenverPost.com

The hug, long reserved for women, celebrating sports victories, and men from other countries, is muscling its way into everyday American Guydom.

Stoic machismo still thrives, but at its heels yaps a touchier, Dr. Phil version of virility. Boundaries are eroding. Defenses are being scaled.

The male hug is complicating everything.

Men accustomed to the automatic and dependable hand clasp accompanied with a brisk up-and-down pump at dinner parties and college reunions, now must preface their greetings or goodbyes with intricate and split-second calculations based on body language, length of friendship and other factors.

Do I shake or do I hug?

Making the right choice matters. If one guy goes for the hug, but the other decides upon a handshake, they might collide. An excruciating dance will follow, as the poor lads work feverishly to determine what to do with their hands, their arms, their bodies.

Memories of the previous disaster will haunt all following encounters. It's possible the fellows will even dread socializing, for fear of the paralyzing hug decision.

"It used to be a handshake. Now everyone wants to give the little bit extra," says Davis Cline, 43, sitting in the sun on the 16th Street Mall with a few of his fellow construction workers on a recent afternoon.

As his colleagues "rated" the attractiveness of passing women, Cline said "there's a time and place" for the male hug.

"I don't know you'd get in front of all of your construction buddies and give hugs," says the Lakewood resident. "Maybe we'd hit each other."

Whether to hug or hit sounds straightforward, but it's tricky, says Jason Tesauro, the author of "The Modern Gentleman," a guide to the protocols of maleness.

Absent any formal rules about the matter, Tesauro says that "if you are in a casual scenario and you are greeting someone, I don't think a hug is out of place. It says you are an extroverted, demonstrative person."

He hugs most of his male friends, he says, although he usually does not hug men upon meeting them for the first time. After that initial handshake, though, the hug could happen any time.

"Saying goodbye is always safer," he says. "You've built up fellowship. It's the difference between a hello kiss on a first date and a good-night kiss."

There's more to the hug decision, however, than an embrace. The next question is: which hug?

With Cline, "a handshake, a pat on the back, that's cool," he says. "But the full-fledged hug thing is out."

So Cline opts for the ubiquitous handshake that has grown a back pat. Other men opt for the embrace, with one arm around the waist, and the other draped over a shoulder: back-clapping tends to accompany this hug.

Former Denver City Councilman Ed Thomas, a big hugger, says rules are few when it comes to the man-to-man embrace.

Just don't take a hug too far, he warns. "If a hug becomes a mug, then you've got problems. You just have to know what that line is."

A hug to Thomas is a "higher level of greeting," one he doesn't bestow upon other guys right away but will unleash with abandon at any point after introductions.

He's an unabashed, eager hugger, but he's no Norm Early, former Denver district attorney and now private businessman.

Early is "the hug captain of the world," Thomas says. "When you get around that guy, he takes the cake. There's no two ways around it."

Soon after becoming district attorney, Early recalls, "I remember when one cop said to another, 'You might as well go over and hug him because he's going to get you sooner or later."'

Early advocates the full-on bear hug. He does not feel compelled to demonstrate his masculinity by slapping his partner's back mid-hug. He does not shrink from the male hug during introductions.

"What often happens when you meet somebody the first time, the other people you already know, so you hug them, and then you say, 'I'm going to have to hug you too,"' he says. Otherwise, he says, if the new guy has his hand out, ready for a firm clench, "what I will normally do is say, 'Hey, I'm a hugger, not a shaker,' and basically take my hug."

Whether, and how, to hug or not falls along cultural lines too. One of them involves a handshake, a mutual tug inward, and a shoulder-bump.

When Duke University professor of black popular culture Mark Anthony Neal is with men, he'll go right in for a certain kind of hug - as long as the other guy also is African-American.

"If I was greeting a white guy, I would probably never go for the hug, it would always immediately be the handshake," says Neal, the author of the just-released book "New Black Man," about black masculinity in the 21st century. "In the case of black males, particularly around my age, 40, it's the hip-hop hug: a handshake, you pull yourselves together, and you bump."

The alternating approach - a handshake for a white guy, a hug for a black guy - is cultural, he says.

"There are shared assumptions when I am greeting an African-American man ... there is a shared experience that connects us," he says.

Hugging between African-American men, though common now, wasn't always so, Neal says.

"For older African-American men, I would be more apt to handshake," he says. "I cannot imagine hugging my father."

At least two professors - Kory Floyd at Arizona State University and Mark Morman at Baylor University in Waco, Texas - have dedicated part of their careers to studying the male hug. The two often collaborate on research.

Floyd, for example, has studied the forms and duration of hugs between men. Rarely do they last much longer than one second. As hugs extend to two seconds or more, men watching the huggers quickly begin assuming the embraces are romantic, instead of just friendly.

Only men too engage in the combination handshake-hug, says Floyd.

"It follows what we call an 'A-frame' configuration; the only body contact is the shoulders," he says. "Men often do it with their handshake in between them, so there is a physical barrier. The third thing is the aggressive patting on the back that comes along with it, which is a very combative gesture. It's a way for men to say, 'I have positive feelings for you, but let's show them in a way that is masculine and gender validating.' All of those things - distance, a barrier, the combative movement - are all stereotypically masculine ways of behaving."

Morman says male fear of hugging other men revolves around homophobia and family.

Some straight guys worry that if they are seen hugging other men, they will be viewed as gay, he says.

And for most men, he says, "fathers are the first role models we have for how to be men, and if Dad isn't hugging and kissing, chances are we aren't either."

While Morman agrees that hugging among American men is spreading, he says it always has occurred in certain contexts.

The more "emotionally charged" the environment, he says, the more freedom men feel to hug one another.

"If you are in the office, generally there is not a lot of emotion there," he says, and hugging remains taboo. But at a wedding or a funeral, or on a battlefield or basketball court, men for a long time have hugged without much hesitation.

Watch ESPN for a few hours, and there's a fair chance you'll encounter lots of big men embracing, especially after a big play or a victory.

Hugging is OK in sports, Floyd says, because a sporting event is "a very gender-validating environment."

On the court or the field, he says, "I'm not worried that my teammate will view (a hug) as a sexual type of behavior."

It doesn't take a touchdown to compel Tony Nalepa, 25, a Denver geophysicist with an Abe Lincoln beard, to embrace a buddy.

"I'll hug my friends," he says, but his love of the hug doesn't extend to the office. "I certainly wouldn't hug my co-workers. I think they would get scared."

To which Eric Mackey, 21, one of his office-mate lunch partners at an outdoor downtown table, let loose a mock sniffle and whimper, saying, "You'll hug your other friends, but not me."

Nalepa's brother is "uncomfortable" with the hug, Nalepa says, "but I hug him anyway. It's more fun that way."

Another lunch partner, Heath Robertson, 37, says he started hugging when he worked in South America, where people "thought I was strange because I didn't hug."

Now, he says, "usually it's the handshake and the pat on the back deal," and it's reserved for family and close friends. He'll hug his martial-arts buddies, he says, "but usually we start grappling."

Robertson's experience in South America illustrates how hugging and handshaking have little to do with gender alone: Contact between males always is yoked to culture.

In "high contact" cultures in southern Europe, the Middle East and Africa, men will hug, hold hands, even kiss - "something most American men would consider a very intimate action," Floyd says.

"In a lot of cultures, that kind of high contact - lots of touching, close personal space - isn't necessarily any more intimate than a handshake would be to us," he says.

America qualifies as a "medium-touch" culture, Floyd says, with some Northern European and Asian cultures - in Japan, for example, where people bow to one another instead of touching - registering as "low touch."

In some places, everybody hugs, or everybody bows. In America, it's mixed. The handshake remains the standard greeting, but some guys hug with relish. Others recoil from outstretched male arms. Most men probably sit somewhere in between. It's when two on-the-fence huggers meet that it can get messy.

Will either guy make the first move?

If guys are OK with male hugging but still tentative, for fear of embarrassment, they should bury their worries, writes Michael Flocker, author of "The Metrosexual Guide to Style," in an e-mail.

"If, however, you do get caught going in for the hug and have second thoughts, don't panic," he says. "Just follow through, go for a quick pat on the back, and move on."
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sozobe
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 11:21 am
Deaf culture is way huggy. All hugs, all the time. What I often see the men do is clasp right hands all manly-like, then draw closer -- right arms still clasped and between them, sternum-level or so -- and vigorously pat each other on the back with their left hand.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 11:28 am
The whole hug thing is interesting.



I hugged all but one A2Ker on meeting them on my New York trip. Hugged all but 3 on leaving (I was running down the street to catch a bus, so didn't have time to stop and hug). Even hugged JoeN and Frank Apisa's wives a coupla times.

There are some people I will hug, and some who will always get a handshake.



Still wondering why that one A2Ker didn't get hugged. It was noted, and I felt a bit bad - but not enough to return the offer of a hug.
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 11:29 am
sozobe wrote:
Deaf culture is way huggy. All hugs, all the time. What I often see the men do is clasp right hands all manly-like, then draw closer -- right arms still clasped and between them, sternum-level or so -- and vigorously pat each other on the back with their left hand.


Ah yes yes...the manly man hug. Very Happy
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Reyn
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 11:39 am
ehBeth wrote:
The whole hug thing is interesting.
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There are some people I will hug, and some who will always get a handshake.

Yeah, I liked the article a lot and found it worthy of an A2K discussion in this forum.

I agree with what you say about being selective about who to hug, or not.

It's interesting at my work, we have a new manager and he likes to do a lot of touching and back pats. It feels a bit wierd, but not because he's a male. It's strange because I'm not used to getting this kind of attention from a manager! Laughing

Interestingly enough, I'm 54 and he's about 45, although I look younger than him.

I'm not uncomfortable with hugging at all, if it's "appropriate". I couldn't see hugging my manager. Rolling Eyes
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 11:49 am
I'm comfortable hugging, think it defuses any gathering of tension generally, but then I'm female.

As to meeting a2kers - trying to remember, I'd say most of us hugged on first meet, and when we didn't, it was situational as some would enter the room as a group was already talking a mile a minute. I'm also slower to jump up from my seat and hug someone in dim light, not that I am afraid, but that I am more awkward/clumsy in dim light, and my ebullience diminishes.

A female hugger greeting a male uncomfortable with hugs - ah, the old warm handclasp.

All of the above is unrelated to work behavior, which, depending on the situation, has either involved pleasant nodding of heads or handclasps, with whatever gender.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 11:51 am
I don't remember!

I must've hugged Swimpy. Can't imagine that I didn't hug Beth. Pretty sure I hugged Setanta (more sure that I did when we met recently), not sure about timber and patiodog.
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smorgs
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 11:54 am
I hug everyone and trees!

Although I do know one male hugger who indulges in frotage masquerading as a hug, I don't like that when I am the hugee Embarrassed
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 11:58 am
I do remember hugging Dys when I met him, since I did leap up and skirt a wide table to do it, and remember worrying if he would think "what/who the hell is this?" It turns out he is a warm huggy guy, but don't let that get around.
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Tenoch
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 12:35 pm
hugging is different for me. I don't like to hug strangers I just met. For me there is such a thing as over hugging. why would I give a hug goodbye if i'm going to see the person the next day. The only times I have hugged my best friends (who i've grown up with) is graduations, birthdays, when we all went away to college, funerals and stuff like that

The "hip-hop hug: a handshake, you pull yourselves together, and you bump." is reserved for all the shady ass mother funkers who we don't like to piss off from the old neiborhood.

My family has a different set of rules. we hug everybody full on.
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roger
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 12:42 pm
Not much of a hugger, here, but known to make exceptions.
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smorgs
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 02:01 pm
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Eva
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 08:29 pm
Definitely a hugger.

Nobody's mentioned the side-to-side hug, though. That happens a lot with guy friends. The man will put one arm around my shoulder, and I'll put my arm around his waist and we squeeze. It feels "safer" to them, I think, than a full-on hug with a married woman. Plus, we may stand there like that for a minute or two.

I do prefer the full-on hug, though...just in case I ever meet any of you...Wink
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LionTamerX
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 08:40 pm
ehBeth wrote :
Still wondering why that one A2Ker didn't get hugged. It was noted, and I felt a bit bad - but not enough to return the offer of a hug.[/quote]

Olfactory issues perhaps ?
:wink:
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 09:20 pm
Trust me, Lion (who by the way I'd be likely to hug), I am awash with olfactory issues as I am one of those few people in a thousand or so who simply don't smell well.

I have missed H2S in a classroom. I can't smell gas, which is of course a component the company puts in the gas so everybody can smell it when gas is leaking. I rarely smell roses. At odd times I can smell cheese or bacon...

Anyway, the usual pheromones waft towards me to no avail.
Has this mattered in my life? I suppose it's possible, but then I don't know about it. Aromatherapy is an amusing concept to me, though somewhat isolating by its popularity.

Erm?
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LionTamerX
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 09:23 pm
((((Big hug for osso))))

toot

oops, sorry.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 09:26 pm
Hug back, lion...

Toot...
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Slappy Doo Hoo
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 09:27 pm
I've hugged good male friends who I haven't seen in a long time, but it's usually the "hip-hop" style hug, where you shake hands, and kind of bump shoulders with a quick pat on the back type of thing.

But I only do it with white people, since we all go through the same struggle.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 09:28 pm
Now, slappy, there's someone I've been wanting to hug for years.

Cool

No matter how stinky he is.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 09:30 pm
But wait, that was about me, shhh osso, when the interest is in the phenomenon of why some of us don't hug.

And not hugging is as reasonable as hugging, no?

Some people are simply more capsulized re strangers, aren't they, or aren't we? Is one way better than another? Better may have to do with which way you are..
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