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MEMOIRS OF A GEISHA

 
 
raheel
 
Reply Fri 29 Apr, 2005 09:37 am
i found this book amazing. it give an insight into a completely different world. the culture and practices of geishas and early 19th century Japan. it is an excellent read and i recommend it to anyone who has not read it.

comments from those who have read it are welcome.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Fri 29 Apr, 2005 09:39 am
I liked it.

It was a little pulpy, and I was unsure how much to trust -- it was a very convincing universe, but was it an accurate reflection of that actual universe? I dunno.

I did like it tho.
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raheel
 
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Reply Tue 3 May, 2005 06:54 am
thats the whole thing about it- its true reflection of the culture.

the authour is well researched in japanese history.

he actually talked to a former geisha
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sozobe
 
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Reply Tue 3 May, 2005 07:43 am
Well, research and talking to a former geisha could go either way. He paints an incredibly detailed portrait, but do we know it's accurate? I mean, Dan Brown did a lot of research for "The Da Vinci Code" and a lot of it is true... and a lot isn't.

They're both works of fiction.

OK, did a Google search for "Memoirs of a Geisha inaccuracies" and this is what I've come up with so far:

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Inspiration for global best-selling novel sues Arthur Golden for betraying her identity

By GARY TEGLER
Staff writer

KYOTO -- Arthur Golden's "Memoirs of a Geisha" sold over 4 million copies and lingered on the New York Times best seller list for 58 weeks. The story of a country girl sold into virtual slavery who rises to become one of Japan's most celebrated geisha captivated the world.

Former geisha Mineko Iwasaki is suing the author of "Memoirs of a Geisha."
The fact that a male American writer could so intimately elucidate a traditionally closed and secretive society was considered a major literary feat. How, many asked at the time, could this be? The answer can be found in the book's dedication. "To Mineko, thank you for everything."

Mineko is Mineko Iwasaki, a highly successful former geisha, or "geiko," who ended her 23-year career in 1980 to marry and raise a family.

Breaking with long tradition, she agreed to be interviewed by Golden, who spent two weeks at her Kyoto home in 1992. Her only stipulation was that she and her family not be identified.

Mineko filed suit last Wednesday in a New York court, claiming Golden's use of her name constituted breach of contract and wrongly linked her with episodes in the book that she calls inaccurate and defamatory.

She first raised objections to the mention of her name, and that of her husband, shortly after receiving galley proofs of the book in English, a language she does not read.

"I complained and asked him what he thought he was doing," she recalled. "I demanded that he take my name out. But he said that he felt personally obliged to acknowledge me. 'I've made you famous,' he told me. I told him that it didn't matter how he felt, I was bothered."

According to Mineko, photos she supplied Golden of her kimonos and other private possessions began appearing in promotional articles for the book without her consent. She was mentioned prominently in interviews Golden gave to the media in which he said Mineko had been sold by her parents to a geisha house and her virginity had been auctioned off for the sum of 100 million yen, things she said are patently false. But in the public's mind, the link between the book's main character and her had been established.

It wasn't until the 1999 publication of the Japanese translation, titled "Sayuri," that she began to consider legal recourse. What most readers perceived to be an informed and sensitive portrayal of a world she had known from the age of 6 appeared to her a lurid depiction of geisha as scheming prostitutes. She also found many inaccuracies.

"Everything is wrong," she said. "In the book, a geisha was beaten with a hanger and crippled. There is a very strict rule that 'maiko' (apprentice geisha) and geisha should never be beaten. We are precious goods and the livelihood of the 'okiya' (geisha houses) depends on us."

Born in 1949, Mineko was the youngest in a family of 11 kids. Her father was a respected kimono designer with close ties to the geisha world.

Two of her older sisters had trained as geisha and she was "recruited" at age 6. She lived in an okiya in Gion Kobu, the highest level of geisha society, where she trained in the arts of music and dance.

She became highly skilled, but the talent that made her one of Kyoto's top geisha was her ability to entertain customers with witty and intelligent conversation.

"The system under which geisha operate was established in 1873 and has not changed since then," Mineko said. "Although some geisha quarters did engage in prostitution, most did not, and the perception that all geisha sleep with their clients is absolutely false. We are proud, accomplished women who have absolute rights over our own bodies."

After her formal rise to geiko status in 1970, she worked to change aspects of the system that she felt were unfair.

"When I was a maiko, many pictures were taken of me, but no one told me how these images were going to be used, either in posters or publications. This was an invasion of my privacy and I protested many times to the Gion office. I also tried to explain that without a high school diploma, it is difficult for geisha to get any kind of teaching license. I wanted them to consider these things and institute a system for royalties."

After the book's publication, pressure began to mount against Mineko from within the geisha societies to make some form of atonement for assisting Golden, despite having already retired.

"Someone suggested I commit ritual suicide in front of Ichiriki (Kyoto's most famous tea house)," she said. "I felt very threatened, and it was particularly bad just after the book was published. Things have settled down now but I still must occasionally accompany my husband's clients to tea houses. It can be quite uncomfortable."

For his part, Golden has said in interviews, and in the book's dedication, that Mineko was not the model for Sayuri. Nor did he approach the book as a novice. He has a masters degree in Japanese history from Columbia University, New York, and worked in Tokyo, where he says the ideas for the book first occurred to him.

In her suit, which also cites Golden's publishers Random House and Alfred P. Knopf, Mineko is seeking a portion of the $10 million generated by sales of the book to be determined by the court. Golden has admitted that after interviewing Mineko, his perception of geisha changed and he decided to completely rewrite an 800-page manuscript. In this regard, the suit says that "Golden and Iwasaki are coauthors, in and to the taped conversations which form the basis of the book."

Random House spokesman Stewart Applebaum said the suit is "totally baseless and without merit," and should it proceed to court, "we will defend our author vigorously and successfully."

In the only interview Golden has given since the suit was filed, he said he was sad and confused to see this come to the point that it has.

Originally, Mineko thought only of asking for a formal apology from Golden and for her name to be taken out of all editions of the novel, but finally felt she had little choice.

"If I don't sue, Arthur will have gotten away with insulting traditional Japanese culture. It is not only rude to me, but to all women. I don't want even a single copy to contain our names," she said. "We thought of asking that the books all be collected. It is not a matter of money. It is our honor."

Mineko recently completed a book about her life, something she had considered doing even before meeting Golden, but had put aside as she felt his book might reach a wider audience. Slated for publication in June, she hopes that the book, tentatively titled "My Say," will clarify many misunderstandings about geisha and geiko that persist even in Japan.


The Japan Times: May 1, 2001


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Ooh, and this seems to be the best one:

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After discarding his first two drafts (one for historical and cultural inaccuracies, the other because its use of third person made it "too dry"), Golden began the third draft of his novel immediately after meeting Mineko Iwasaki, who had been a geisha in the 1960s and 1970s. Iwasaki, now retired at 50 and living in New York City, was once one of the most famous geisha of Kyoto's Gion district. Golden conducted several lengthy interviews with Iwasaki, and while he adamantly denies that Memoirs of a Geisha is about her particular experience, in several interviews after the novel's publication, he mentions how she inspired him and transformed his vision of the geisha. In his acknowledgments at the end of the novel, Golden writes "To Mineko, thank you for everything."

However, it would appear that Iwasaki does not share Golden's view of their relationship or of the book that came out of it. According to a May 2000 article in The Ottawa Citizen, Mineko Iwasaki is considering a lawsuit because she "is livid over the way Sayuri is portrayed." In an interview with Britain's Independent newspaper, she claimed, "[Golden] says [the book] is all fiction, but people do not read it that way. I feel totally betrayed by him and by the book." In a March 2000 interview with U.S. News and World Report, Iwasaki suggested that Golden "has made a mockery of Japanese culture. . . .For me, personally, this is a libel." Iwasaki is angry that Golden mentions her by name in the book's acknowledgments because she claims that he promised her anonymity. Most importantly, Iwasaki says that geishas are "more artisans than courtesans" and that Golden has misrepresented the life and craft of geisha. In a March 1999 interview on CNN Sunday Morning, Miles O'Brien asked Golden, "To what extent is this a thinly-veiled biography of the geisha who became your source [Mineko Iwasaki]?" Golden responded to O'Brien's question unequivocally: "This character [Sayuri] is entirely invented, and the woman that I interviewed wouldn't recognize herself, or really anything about herself, in this book, which she hasn't read, because she doesn't read English." Interestingly, the book was translated into Japanese and released in Japan in November of 1999 and has sold only about 50,000 copies, while in the U.S., it topped the bestseller charts for months, and worldwide, it has sold more than four million copies in 33 languages.


The last two from here:

www.goodbookslately.com/ recommendedbooks/memoirsofageisharsg.pdf

One more:

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But the betrayal she feels is, at its roots, wispy and elusive. There
are so many inaccuracies in the book, she laments. Real geishas don't
tie men's shoes--maids do that. Real geishas don't take off from
their training. Golden got the organization of the geisha house
wrong, and misunderstood the painted smile of the traditional noh
dancer, she says.

That's small stuff, Golden responds. "The kinds of things I got wrong
don't trouble me," he says.

There were slights, Mineko says: Her husband's name used on a
gravestone in the book, her own horoscope misused in the narrative,
her delicate and flowery calling card used in publicity for the
novel. After she complained about her name being made public in the
acknowledgments, it was deleted from the Japanese version.

But, reluctantly, those grievances fall away to reveal the real
offense.

"The book is all about sex," she complains. "He wrote that book on
the theme of women selling their bodies. It was not that way at all."


Washington post article reprinted here:

http://modelminority.com/gate.html?name=News&file=comments&sid=729&tid=4301&mode=&order=&thold=
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mac11
 
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Reply Tue 3 May, 2005 08:06 am
I loved the book when I read it years ago, but assumed at the time that it had to be partly fictional, since the geishas have always been such a secretive world. How much could a Western man really understand or uncover?

By the way, a film of the book is due out this year in December. IMDb link. It's directed by Rob Marshall, who directed Chicago, and the screenplay is by Akiva Goldsman, who won an Oscar for A Beautiful Mind. Steven Spielberg talked about directing this for years, but is now listed as a producer.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Tue 3 May, 2005 08:09 am
I'm glad Madonna didn't bully her way into the role of the villain (not for lack of trying), but lots of people are unhappy that the movie is starring Chinese actresses. We'll see.

The veracity of something doesn't matter too much to me if the story is compelling and the execution skilled.
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raheel
 
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Reply Tue 3 May, 2005 11:03 am
OK so it is altered slightly- but it was still an amazing read.

i can't wait for the movie. although i have been let down by 'books turned into movies' before.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Tue 10 May, 2005 12:39 pm
Sozobe -- I find it interesting that you thought it a little pulpy. It reminded me of Gone with the Wind, so I hated it. The woman from my book group who reviewed it, loved it because it was like GWTW. I believe the author actually had GWTW in mind when he structured the book.

Caught a bit of a program on PBS about Asians in America the other day. It seems the actress Anna May Wong was very talented and very beautiful (showed photos of her). I only knew about her through the jokes of stand up comedians. According to the show, white actresses were cast as Asians because American men couldn't marry Asian women and, therefore, casting women they could marry and, therefore, COULD FANTASIZE about made sense to producers. Anna May Wong wanted to play the lead in the film adaptation of Pearl Buck's The Good Earth and was crushed when Luis Rainer not only received the role but an Oscar for it.
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Aldistar
 
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Reply Sat 14 May, 2005 09:01 pm
I thought it was a very good read but I also knew while reading it that much of it was inaccurate. If you can separate the book from historical fact and think of it as a fictional story then it is excellent and, to me anyway, interesting book.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Sat 14 May, 2005 09:26 pm
plainoldme, you mean surprising that I found it only a little pulpy or that I found it pulpy at all? It's not one of my top 100 favorite books, but I liked it fine. Didn't hate it.

I agree, Aldistar, I was suspicious while reading but decided to suspend disbelief.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Mon 16 May, 2005 11:00 am
I wrote that I found it interesting -- not surprising. I interpretted pulpy as in line with my GWTW judgment.
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boomerang
 
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Reply Mon 16 May, 2005 12:39 pm
I liked "Memoirs of a Geisha" and I also liked Minkeo Iwasaki's autobiography "Geisha, A Life".

I had never made the connection between one and the other except as kind of companionalbe reads.

Now I feel compelled to go back and reread both of them!

If you're interested in Asian culture I really recommend "Aching for Beauty. The History of Footbinding in China" and "The Tale of Mirasaki" a fictionalized account of the life of the world's first novelist. Coincidentally, "The Tale..." was written by Liza Dalby the only American ever to become a geisha.
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Bakku
 
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Reply Thu 26 May, 2005 04:24 pm
Bleekhh. Maybe I am just immature or something, but I didn't like that book at all. First of all, I just couldn't get into appreciating Geishas. At all. I felt like the book constantly kept banging me over the head with the whole "Geishas are not prostitutes or anything of such implications", and then it goes about showing yucky sex scenes with the patrons, etc of the Geisha (those scenes were describes with such ooziness and slimeyness that I couldn't help but feel totally grossed out). I have no clue of how the author expected me to acutally appreciate or be interested with the geishas. The only character who I thought was interesting was the crippled one- Nobu was it?

Maybe I'm just biased against it because I don't like Geishas (even though they are kinda pretty).
I aslo thought it was really really evil of the father to sell her girls like that to the Geisha house.
Overall, as obvious, I didn't like the book at all and won't recommend it to any sensible reader.
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UnagiSushi
 
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Reply Sun 28 Aug, 2005 06:50 pm
Re: MEMOIRS OF A GEISHA
raheel wrote:
i found this book amazing. it give an insight into a completely different world. the culture and practices of geishas and early 19th century Japan. it is an excellent read and i recommend it to anyone who has not read it.

comments from those who have read it are welcome.



Although I read it 5 years ago, I still remember the book fondly. The next time I go to Half Price Books, think I'll look for it and re-read it again.



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UnagiSushi
 
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Reply Sun 28 Aug, 2005 07:01 pm
Memoir of a Geisha
raheel wrote:
thats the whole thing about it- its true reflection of the culture.

the authour is well researched in japanese history.

he actually talked to a former geisha


For years I watched Japanese TV, especially the samurai programs. The geisha in those programs used to help their 'companions' put on and take off their clothes.

Hmmmm -- makes me wonder now if the Japanese who produced, directed and acted in these weekly samurai TV series knew that they were inaccurately portraying the geishas.



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