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British law regarding LGBT issues

 
 
Reply Wed 6 Feb, 2019 12:00 pm
At my son's primary school in Cambridge where we live, they advertise on posters and state, that it is 'illegal to use a persons prefeered pronoun'.
Is this true?? And if not, is the school breaking the law by falsly quoting the law to enforce compelled speach at the school?
 
izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 6 Feb, 2019 12:05 pm
@Dawnstar2000,
To be honest I don't know, but if anyone claims something is illegal/legal they need to quote the relevant Act, regulation and schedule. You're well within your rights to ask this information and if they can't provide it chances are they're lying. My gut says they're lying, but that's not legally binding.

Another poster is more clued up on this, I'll ask them about it when they get in.
Dawnstar2000
 
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Reply Wed 6 Feb, 2019 12:08 pm
@izzythepush,
Thank you! Yes that would be great to get some clarity on this as it is very much drummed into the children at the school and so if it is not the case then they would need to change the info that they advertise.
Thanks again!

izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 6 Feb, 2019 12:17 pm
@Dawnstar2000,
I got done for speeding the other day, the ticket said it contrary to Sections 81(1) and 89(1) of the road Traffic Regulation Act 1984 and Schedule 2 of the Road Traffic Offenders Act 1988.

The details are online so I can look at the relevant sections and see if I did break the law. (I did, I'm guilty.)

That's how the law works, they need to tell you what bit of the law says something is legal or not.

It's very easy to say something is illegal and if they truly believe it is they will be able to provide those details.

Just providing those details doesn't mean they're right, it means you can check them out and see if you agree with their interpretation.

I used to work for the social security and I had to make decisions like this, and quote the relevant sections of the Social Security Act, all the time.
Dawnstar2000
 
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Reply Wed 6 Feb, 2019 12:26 pm
@izzythepush,
I see! Yes to be honest when I read it, I thought that maybe they should provide some kind proof or quote a particular law with regards to what they were stating, but there was nothing. Simply a statement that it is 'illegal', So I felt it would be the right thing to check where I can to find out the validity of the statement before I speak to them about it.

Thank you for taking the time to respond! And I will dig a bit further to find out if there is any actual law that relates to what they are stating. I know that in Canada and some states in the U.S. that have such laws but I was sceptical about there being any such U.K. laws.

Many thanks!
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fresco
 
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Reply Wed 6 Feb, 2019 12:38 pm
@Dawnstar2000,
Sounds like an OFSTED regulation to me. If the school is a state school it is obliged to follow regulations in order to continue to receive funding.

Dawnstar2000
 
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Reply Wed 6 Feb, 2019 12:46 pm
@fresco,
Thanks Fresco!
Yes that would make sense although there was no reference to the validity of their statement.. Defo something for me to look into! Though I do feel if OFSTED had required the school to state that, then surely OFSTED would want to include a reference to an actual law to cover themselves?
Will defo look into that though!
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 6 Feb, 2019 01:18 pm
@fresco,
Even if that were the case it doesn't follow that it's illegal, they would still need to provide the relevant sections, there may be leave to appeal.

I have a sneaking suspicion it my be due to pressure from the religious community. One of my kids went to school in Frinton for a year, you wouldn't believe the crap they tried telling us, and that was because of the local churches.
Dawnstar2000
 
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Reply Wed 6 Feb, 2019 01:28 pm
@izzythepush,
In light of what you just said, I should also include that the school does advertise itself as a 'trans friendly' school. Why at a primary school though is beyond me! But that is how the school advertises itself.. Not only that, but they also hold trans friendly 'rainbow' days to raise awareness of the LGBT community.. So maybe this message could be down to pressure from the LGBT community?
Personally, I get the hunch that this is more about the school advertising it's political alignment?
Still though, there should be clarity on the laws they are saying exist!
izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 6 Feb, 2019 02:07 pm
@Dawnstar2000,
Some trans kids don't realise they're trans until puberty but others are aware really early on. From what you're saying I guess they've already had a trans kid attend school so they say that makes them trans friendly, whether it does or not is another matter entirely.
tsarstepan
 
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Reply Wed 6 Feb, 2019 02:16 pm
@Dawnstar2000,
Pictures for proof please.

Something tells me ... if this exists... it's a guerrilla art poster AKA real world troll and not officially created and posted by a local or regional government office or agent.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 6 Feb, 2019 02:28 pm
@tsarstepan,
Arbury Primary School
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Dawnstar2000
 
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Reply Wed 6 Feb, 2019 02:39 pm
@tsarstepan,
Could be! Although I think if that were the case then it would have been taken down?? Especially being on school property? If I had seen it outside the school it would not have been an issue for me.
Thanks for your input!
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Dawnstar2000
 
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Reply Wed 6 Feb, 2019 05:48 pm
@izzythepush,
I believe you are refering to a condition called 'Gender Dysphoria'.
Yes I totally recognise that and I am totally for the acceptance and tollerance of anyone with Gender Dysphoria of course! In fact I have no issue with the LGBT community at all! I have friends in that community.. My original issue was with the idea that it is ok to misquote law to push an agenda on young children through fear mongering by telling then it is 'illegal' to use the wrong pronoun for a person. That in my mind, is wrong. When we start mixing politics and education, everybody looses because then education becomes second to political dogma.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 7 Feb, 2019 01:59 am
@Dawnstar2000,
It is wrong to lie about what's illegal and what's not, and it is immoral when it affects a child's development.

My instincts tell me the school in question used the fact there was a trans kid attending to get a lot of boxes ticked re equality/diversity etc. but they didn't deal with the prejudices of individual members of staff reluctant to call the kid by their preferred pronoun. That's why they make a huge song and dance about being trans friendly so they're less likely to be questioned.

Since my last post I have spoken to the other A2K member I mentioned earlier. I have been told that refusing to use someone's preferred pronoun can actually be classed as a hate crime.

They will pm you later on today with more information.
roger
 
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Reply Thu 7 Feb, 2019 02:29 am
@izzythepush,
Good show.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 7 Feb, 2019 02:30 am
@roger,
Thanks.
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