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True of false?

 
 
daverod
 
Reply Wed 14 Nov, 2018 10:00 am
Matthew 7:18 "A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit."


If Christ (J)esus said this, would this be 'True' or would this be 'false'?


And so if a good tree cannot bring forth 'evil' fruit, can the idea of 'Holy' angels rebelling be 'True' or would the idea be 'false'?


Could the 'fruit' which caused Adam and Eve to 'die' in the same 'day' have turned into a fruit of the 'Tree of Life'?

Or could a fruit upon the 'Tree of Life' turn into a tree which bears fruit which causes 'ill'?


Can a banana tree bear non bananas? Or can an mango tree bear avocados?

So the statement: 'A mango tree can bear avocados'. Is that a 'true' or 'false' statement?

'Holy angels can bear unHoliness'. Is this a 'true' or 'false' statement?


So free will. Are mango trees 'robots' because they cannot bear avocados? Are Holy angels 'robots' because they cannot bear unHoliness?
Are 'mankind' 'robots' because they are mankind?


So, mango trees cannot bear avocados; Holy angels cannot bear unHoliness, sin cannot bear Holiness. And that is why God sent forth His Only Begotten Son. So that mankind can be given the opportunity to be able to do something 'contrary' to the 'tree' of this world.
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daverod
 
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Reply Wed 14 Nov, 2018 10:15 am
@daverod,
But does that mean that this 'world' is a corrupt tree? No.. It does not. The earth and life received the 'corruption' from the 'corruption' that was emerging out from within the Garden of Eden. The whole Earth became 'infected' by the same form and derivative forms of that 'corruption' that occurred within The Garden. But this does not mean that the 'World' is a Corrupt tree since when The LORD God (J)esus Christ 'made/created' it, God said, 'It is 'Good''.

So the corruption is occurring on the street level more than on the inner levels of The Earth and The World. The corruptions are vanities and superficial. Here today, gone tomorrow.

When the Earth and the Heaven(s) will be 'made anew', this does not mean that it first needs to be 'destroyed'. It just means that The Earth and Heavens will be made 'new'. The Earth and the Heavens are not corrupt trees. They don't need to be 're-created'.
daverod
 
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Reply Wed 14 Nov, 2018 10:25 am
@daverod,
So from where does 'evil' come from? If there is no fallen 'holy' angel or fallen 'holy' angels, from where does the 'evil' come from?


"For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: 20These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man." - Matthew 15:19-20

"And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man. 21For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, 22Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: 23All these evil things come from within, and defile the man." - Mark 7:20-23



1 Chronicles 21:1 "And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel."



And stood up:
5975. amad
Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
abide behind, appoint, arise, cease, confirm, continue, dwell, be employed,


Satan:
7854. satan
Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
adversary, Satan, withstand


against:
5921. al
Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
above, according to, after, as against, among, and, as, at,


Israel:
3478. Yisrael
Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
Israel


1 Chronicles 21:1-7

"And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel. 2And David said to Joab and to the rulers of the people, Go, number Israel from Beersheba even to Dan; and bring the number of them to me, that I may know it. 3And Joab answered, The LORD make his people an hundred times so many more as they be: but, my lord the king, are they not all my lord's servants? why then doth my lord require this thing? why will he be a cause of trespass to Israel? 4Nevertheless the king's word prevailed against Joab. Wherefore Joab departed, and went throughout all Israel, and came to Jerusalem. 5And Joab gave the sum of the number of the people unto David. And all they of Israel were a thousand thousand and an hundred thousand men that drew sword: and Judah was four hundred threescore and ten thousand men that drew sword. 6But Levi and Benjamin counted he not among them: for the king's word was abominable to Joab.
7And God was displeased with this thing; therefore he smote Israel."

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Thomas33
 
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Reply Wed 14 Nov, 2018 10:40 am
Over the past year or so, I've become more and more preoccupied with the logic of replication versus contrast; if truth is real, truth cannot be the same as the safety of truth, for example

In this context, I would have to disagree with the Bible scripture
farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 14 Nov, 2018 03:39 pm
@Thomas33,
I take it that youre just learning ENglish.??
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livinglava
 
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Reply Thu 15 Nov, 2018 05:30 pm
The quoted verse refers to false prophets.
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15Beware of false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16By their fruit you will recognize them.
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MadJW
 
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Reply Sun 30 Dec, 2018 11:07 am
@daverod,
daverod wrote:

Matthew 7:18 "A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit."

If Christ (J)esus said this, would this be 'True' or would this be 'false'?

And so if a good tree cannot bring forth 'evil' fruit, can the idea of 'Holy' angels rebelling be 'True' or would the idea be 'false'? ...


TRUE, minus your vain attempt to imply its not.
The rebelling angels were a 'fruit' of their corrupted hearts- not of God.
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Jewels Vern
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2019 12:47 pm
@daverod,
I can not identify any question, and you have not said anything that allows agreement or disagreement. So why exactly is this post? Just grandstanding?
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NO-NAME
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2019 01:10 pm
All of this is under the assumption that the bible is the word (verbatim) of God and that the meaning of words doesn't change over time ( which it does in just the short history of the US our terminology has drastically changed in just the past hundred years conversation we have nowadays sounds completely different than a conversation that was held in the late 1800s) and assuming that the method of interpretation used is accurate.

Now just think about this for a minute get rid of everything in your mind that people have told you and things you have read and see what's left. If you have a question ask God your self but before you do make sure that question is not based on something you have been told or read . this is a good exercise for learning the truth about life. I won't give you my opinion because I don't want to take away the very reason your alive and that is so you can experience life first hand.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2019 01:50 pm
The OP has a lot of questions.
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Jewels Vern
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jan, 2019 02:41 pm
@daverod,
You are juggling words. You need to read your bible.

Isaiah 5:20-21 King James Version (KJV)
20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

21 Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!
NO-NAME
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jan, 2019 10:25 am
@Jewels Vern,
Please don't judge the validity of somebody's methods of questioning and doing so by using the York Freemasons favorite book of all time . king James is a sore brat that failed at finding emortally couldn't cope with the failure so decided to **** as many people as possible so he put together the king James bible then killed most of the people that helped him do it and then presented it as the Devine word of God
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The Anointed
 
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Reply Fri 23 Jul, 2021 06:40 pm
@Jewels Vern,
The Greek language did not have a specific word for virgin. The Greek ‘Parthenos’ refers to any youth, male or female, of marriageable age, irrelevant as to their sexual status, and denotes ‘virgin’ only by implication.

The young 13 years old unmarried Mary, was a ‘Parthenos,’ a young unmarried woman, who told the Messenger of God that she had never had sexual contact with a man, thereby implying that she was still, at that point in time, a virgin.

When the Septuagint was translated from the Hebrew to Greek, hundreds of years before Jesus, the Hebrew translators were forced to use the Greek word ‘Parthenos’ when translating the Hebrew ‘almah’ to the Greek, and as Matthew’s gospel was originally written in Hebrew, when it was later translated to Greek, the same word ‘Parthenos’ was used to translate the Hebrew ‘almah.’

“The Greek word Parthenos (παρθένος) is ambiguous but the Hebrew term “Almah” [Unmarried Female] is absolute, and is erroneously translated from Isaiah 7: 14, to English in Matthew 1:23; as “virgin,” whereas according to Young’s Analytical Concordance to the Bible, the Hebrew term “almah,” carries the meaning, (Concealment---unmarried female.)”

Isaiah 7: 14; Jewish Translation: “Therefore the Lord, of his own, shall give you a sign; behold the ‘YOUNG WOMAN’ is with child, and she shall bear a son and she shall call his name Immanuel.”

An ‘almah,’ [an unmarried girl,] can still be a virgin, as long as she has never had sexual intercourse with a man, but there is no way on this god’s earth that a young woman who is ‘WITH CHILD’ can still be a ‘virgin.’ There are of course those who would argue that an unmarried woman could be artificially inseminated without breaking her Hymen, and the male child that formed in her womb could be delivered by Caesarean Section, and the young woman would then remain a ‘virgin,’ but the child would be the biological son of the sperm donor, and not some miraculously born ‘Son of God.’

Isaiah 7: 14; Erroneous KJV Translation; “Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: behold the ‘Virgin’ shall conceive and bear a son, and shall call his name Emmanuel.”
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