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Interplanetary Migration a Lifeboat?

 
 
Reply Wed 19 Sep, 2018 05:01 pm
Some writers have said that humans shouldn't seek to colonize other planets until we have learned to properly steward Earth. But could migrating to another planet serve as a lifeboat for humans who are willing and capable of achieving sustainability while the rest of the human population goes on destroying Earth's planetary future?

In short, maybe it's time to face the fact that it is not possible to make everyone live sustainably. If that is the case, then Earth is simply doomed to collapse as a result of various economic interests putting themselves before goals of long-term planetary health.

If so, the best humans can do to survive the unsustainability of their species' stewardship of the planet would be to seek out new planets to migrate to and escape the rest of the humans who don't care about saving the planet.

The problem that arises, however, is whether new planetary colonies would be taken over by governments and economic interests to establish unsustainable industrial regimes on those planets as well. I.e. would it even be possible to protect new planets against the unsustainability pressures that Earth faces?

If the only people who moved to new planets were totally committed to stewarding those planets sustainably, would they succeed or would future generations re-establish industrial cultures that threaten that planet's resources over the course of time? In other words, is it even possible for the most dedicated humans to prevent their progeny from becoming abusive of whatever environment(s) they inherit?
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 19 Sep, 2018 08:39 pm
I have two questions: where will you go, and how will you pay for it? Believe it or not, those are the key questions. To colonize Mars, for example, with 250 initial colonists and a serious terraforming effort which would achieve habitability within, say, one hundred fifty years would cost on the order of $25,000,000,000,000 to $50,000,000,000,000 (those are trillions of dollars). It would cost more if you had a continuous shuttle from Titan, a moon of Saturn, to bring in nitrogen--which would be cheaper than importing it from the Earth. I'm not saying that you're wrong to think about these things, but one does need to consider the practicalities.
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Thu 20 Sep, 2018 07:18 am
@livinglava,
No matter where you go, you can't escape yourself.
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najmelliw
 
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Reply Thu 20 Sep, 2018 07:42 am
@livinglava,
Even if this was doable in terms of funding and political goodwill, you have to consider that travelling outside of our solar system is going to cost decades, or perhaps even centuries. The generation who arrives at the target planet is not the same one that left. And even if there was a way to measure which humans are 'most' willing and capable of achieving 'sustainability', who is to say that their children or grandchildren will feel the same way?
livinglava
 
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Reply Thu 20 Sep, 2018 02:47 pm
@najmelliw,
najmelliw wrote:

Even if this was doable in terms of funding and political goodwill, you have to consider that travelling outside of our solar system is going to cost decades, or perhaps even centuries. The generation who arrives at the target planet is not the same one that left. And even if there was a way to measure which humans are 'most' willing and capable of achieving 'sustainability', who is to say that their children or grandchildren will feel the same way?

Yes, I agree that's the problem; but my point is that when you read opinions that humans should first learn to steward the Earth sustainably before thinking about colonizing other planets, the assumption is that we're all in this together.

In reality, many people don't care about sustainability or they don't really think there is unsustainability anyway. They just assume everything will work out in time, and they don't care because they'll be dead and they don't care about their grandchildren's grandchildren beyond whatever generation they will physically interact with while they are still alive.

So the point is that those of us who really care about sustainability may finally give in to the possibility that we just don't have the power to convert the rest of humanity to cooperate in achieving sustainability on Earth. At that point, we can migrate to another planet, but we would not want to do it if there's a chance others would take over our operation/ships and leave us stuck on Earth as it is run into the ground by people who don't care.

I don't think it really matters if you can measure who is really most willing and capable of achieving sustainability because whoever leaves Earth will die 'en route' and their children or grandchildren will be the ones who arrive at the new world. You would have to trust that your progeny would honor the values of sustainability and be intelligent enough to steward the new planet according to those values. And of course there's the risk that future generations will get greedy and turn the new world into an unsustainable profit-market like present day Earth, but it is doubtful that interplanetary/interstellar trade would be attempted, unless there are things that can be shipped back and forth to Earth that can be in transit for 100s or even 1000s of years that will retain their value over that long a duration.

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