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One man's take on the USA

 
 
camlok
 
Reply Tue 11 Sep, 2018 01:34 pm
A discussion in another thread that is better suited to its own, here. A rather lengthy background but it is necessary I think to establish the idea.

It started with the third post from the top of the page of,

https://able2know.org/topic/267070-646#top

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The Cobbler started with
J0hn Kerry: The President has hugely damaged American credibility on a global basis...
http://www.msnbc.com/andrea-mitchell-reports/watch/john-kerry-weighs-in-on-president-trump-s-mideast-plans-and-syria-1316850243529?v=raila&


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To which I replied.

@TheCobbler,
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J0hn Kerry: The President has hugely damaged American credibility on a global basis...


Totally nutty, isn't it, a wacky, serial pants on fire liar, who admittedly is far beyond the other prez liars, "hugely damaged American credibility" but 3/4 of a century of illegal invasions, unrelenting world wide terrorism, baby killing on a grand scale, slaughtering tens of millions, genocides, death lists and death squads, beheadings and other gruesome manner of death, gook hockey, rapes unlimited, theft of vast sums of wealth, ... Kerry fails to mention because they don't damage American credibility on a global basis.

What a fucked up world we live in!!!!

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The Cobbler replied:

@camlok,
Camlok you see the infractions and imperfections, you do not see the US heroes who have saved the world from nazism, imperialism and communism. (I wonder why?)

You would not even be here if it were not for Americans giving their lives for a free world order.

You would be speaking a different language or probably have been exterminated by cyanide gas.

And this is how you thank the US by your daily dose of poison, vitriol and animosity. Sometimes you are more deranged than CJ.

Yea, Americans also take a crap like everyone else but that does not make them shitty people.

Every country has their not so flattering moments, your hate is getting tiring and frankly, it is insidious.

Here are a few of:
Your Tags
Us War Crimes, Us Government 911 Lies, Evil Deeds, Us Murders, Usa Nanothermite, Super Explosives, 911, Genocide, Us Gov 911 Lies, Nanothermite, Us Lies, Iron Microspheres, Us Conspiracy Theory

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Your myopic world view is both shortsighted and disingenuous.

Your points have been taken, and taken and taken and taken and please now, shut up about it already.

Illegal invasions?

Your terminology speaks of how little you understand war. An invasion is when you take over a country and after you win you never leave.

Try liberation. Even Iraq was liberated whether if you acknowledge that or not. In your crystal ball maybe you can tell use what Saddam would be doing today had he not been deposed.

Iraq is liberated whether if you agree or not with the means with which that occurred. I supported the Iraq war and in hindsight I would do it again.

I support war and liberation from religious and tyrannical extremists just like I support the impeachment of Donald Trump...

I also support that you hang up your soap box of hate, you sound like you are in Putin's employ. There are much worse countries, also consider the Iraq war may have been over sooner with much less casualties had Putin not told Saddam that the US was coming and had the world supported the effort more fully.

Instead Russia thwarted the effort so the war dragged on and many more innocent people were harmed in that beleaguered process. (same thing in Syria...) So you are guilty of impeding a process that could have been wrapped up much sooner and with much less bloodshed had it not been for the turncoats like ******* Jacques Chirac who were taking bribes from Saddam and who also hated the US, just like you do, simply for hate's sake and would allow their hate to place the Iraqis in a situation as pawns in a deadly "game" of fake concerns and underhanded deals with the butcher of Baghdad. And where is all this oil we in the US were supposed to get out of this war?

Where are all the spoils from the Iraq war? An invasion has spoils doesn't it.

Please don't point your crooked finger Camlok... I stand with the US in deposing Trump and getting our country back to the place where it was when Obama was our President. Yes I support US drone attacks, yes I support liberation from tyranny and religious oppression and yes I still support sanctions on Russia...

Venezuela's dictator opposed the Iraq war and look how that has turned out for them... You think you are so smart and you are not... You are a fool.

Try and modify and moderate your views a bit.

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I, camlok, replied

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@TheCobbler,
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Camlok you see the infractions and imperfections, you do not see the US heroes who have saved the world from nazism, imperialism and communism. (I wonder why?)


Because it simply is not there, TC. Notice your immediate conceit. It wasn't just the US. The US got into WWII because they saw a great opportunity to grab EU colonies and make them their own.

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Illegal invasions?


Yup, over 70 since WWII.

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Your terminology speaks of how little you understand war. An invasion is when you take over a country and after you win you never leave.


Like Korea, Japan, the Philippines, Guam, Cuba, Honduras, Guatemala, Indonesia, the Marshall Islands, Hawaii, ... .

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[the USA has] 800 military bases in more than 70 countries and territories abroad—from giant “Little Americas” to small radar facilities. Britain, France and Russia, by contrast, have about 30 foreign bases combined.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/06/us-military-bases-around-the-world-119321


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Try liberation. Even Iraq was liberated whether if you acknowledge that or not.


You do know that that was the supreme war crime, illegally invading a sovereign nation, ALL BASED ON THE MOST TRANSPARENT OF LIES!!

The US does not have a right to do that just as Nazi Germany had no right to do that.

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In your crystal ball maybe you can tell use what Saddam would be doing today had he not been deposed.


Here, let's let an Iraqi woman tell you. She really knows, USians just hear the usual propaganda.

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Vomiting Perfidy

By Layla Anwar

September 2, 2010 "Arab Woman Blues" - -Since yesterday I have been vomiting my insides out...

My first bout of vomit came after I read a transcript of your President's speech, his speech to the "nation". Because you consider yourselves a nation ?!

It started off with an uneasiness felt in the pit of my stomach, then quickly transformed itself into a queasiness, then into a foul nausea, only to erupt like a dammed out volcano into violent throes of pure vomit...

I have over the past 20 years or so, developed a high intolerance to perfidy and you throughout your history have excelled in perfecting what I am most allergic to...

You literally make me sick.

Change - you clamored like a herd of sheep, while munching, ruminating like cattle every word that is fed to you...Black and White, even those retards who call themselves American Arabs and Muslims rejoiced at Uncle Tom's arrival to the White House.

Oh the "principled", "moralistic" prudish puritanical perverts called Americans, always showing up late for change...always jumping on the bandwagon, when the train has already passed...

The peace loving war mongers of the new world order is what you are. Fake and ignorant to the bone.

So you pride yourselves on being "a good people", a "compassionate" "sharing caring hugging" people -- nothing but Perfidy.

For 20 years, I witnessed my country, the land of my father, my mother, my ancestors, disintegrate before my very eyes...20 ******* years. 20 ******* years.

Twenty years of people -- first withering, wilting away, like flowers never allowed to see the light, never allowed to turn their faces to the sun, then from fading into shadows, faltering into a colorless background...bombed, massacred, slaughtered into a nothingness...the same nothingness that inhabits you daily...the same nothingness that makes you rush to your shrink, the same nothingness that you feed with your junk, the same nothingness that you fill with your consumer products...the same nothingness of your void, of the pit, the deep pit that you all live in, and I throw up some more, from the pits of my belly....

So you "sacrificed" for us, so you liberated us from "tyranny", so you "lived up to your responsibilities" --- like you did in Falluja, Haditha, Mahmoudiya, Baghdad, Basra, Mosul, Ramadi...¨"kill the motherfuckers" you shouted...and your wives masturbated to your love letters, or shed a few tears while waving that infamous flag...the flag of a degenerate, decaying country that has offered nothing but murder, carnage and mayhem...

You liberated us from "dictatorship" with 5 times the size of a Hiroshima and a Nagasaki...you liberated us until there was no space left in our morgues, and 7 and half years later, we still search for the dead...you liberated us until our streets turned into pools of blood, and mosques became torture dungeons where those hajjis were having their eyes plucked out and their flesh drilled, you liberated us so we can be abducted, raped and murdered for a 1000$ or for wearing lipstick...you liberated us so our bodies can float on the Tigris and Euphrates, mutilated unrecognizable...you liberated us alright...stuffing us in prisons cells, covering us with your piss and excrements, or handing us to your mercenaries and your pimps and whores in turbans, while you fucked the prostitutes specially brought to you in your Green Fortress... and while the rest of us lived in walled ghettos that you constructed for us...

You liberated us alright...and you lived up to your principles, your ideals and your responsibilities...

READ ON THE COBBLER, IF YOU HAVE EVEN GOTTEN THIS FAR.

http://arabwomanblues.blogspot.com/2010/09/vomiting-perfidy.html


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The Cobbler

https://able2know.org/topic/267070-646#post-6710615

Once again you openly display your sheer ignorance...

So using your stupid logic, we should have just let Hitler rise and conquer all of Europe and Asia so people would never ever accuse the US of using it as a "great opportunity to grab EU colonies and make them their own". And which EU "colonies" are our own now?

You make grand statements that have no foundation in fact.

Which "colonies" in Europe does the US now own as a result of WWII?

"Korea, Japan, the Philippines, Guam, Cuba, Honduras, Guatemala, Indonesia, the Marshall Islands and Hawaii?"

None of these countries (they are not colonies) answer to US rule and even Hawaii which is a state... still has statehood and its own state run government.

You speak as if the US is a dictatorship. We are governed by the people up and not our elected president down.

So you are saying we fought WWII so Hawaii could become a self governing state? Really?

We left remnants of our military in regions of the world to keep them stable from attack, not to "rule" them. Elected Presidents govern, kings rule...

Our military also does not rule Hawaii or any other country. These countries voluntarily choose to keep our forces there.

Saddam was found guilty and hanged by a court comprised of his own people. not ours...

I did hear Kuwait screaming loudly about Saddam's illegal invasion.

Instead of moderating your thoughts you simply make them more idiotic.

Nearly every point you have tired to make is overblown and pathetically false...


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The Cobbler replied:

Once again you openly display your sheer ignorance...

So using your stupid logic, we should have just let Hitler rise and conquer all of Europe and Asia so people would never ever accuse the US of using it as a "great opportunity to grab EU colonies and make them their own". And which EU "colonies" are our own now?

You make grand statements that have no foundation in fact.

Which "colonies" in Europe does the US now own as a result of WWII?

"Korea, Japan, the Philippines, Guam, Cuba, Honduras, Guatemala, Indonesia, the Marshall Islands and Hawaii?"

None of these countries (they are not colonies) answer to US rule and even Hawaii which is a state... still has statehood and its own state run government.

You speak as if the US is a dictatorship. We are governed by the people up and not our elected president down.

So you are saying we fought WWII so Hawaii could become a self governing state? Really?

We left remnants of our military in regions of the world to keep them stable from attack, not to "rule" them. Elected Presidents govern, kings rule...

Our military also does not rule Hawaii or any other country. These countries voluntarily choose to keep our forces there.

Saddam was found guilty and hanged by a court comprised of his own people. not ours...

I did hear Kuwait screaming loudly about Saddam's illegal invasion.

Instead of moderating your thoughts you simply make them more idiotic.

Nearly every point you have tired to make is overblown and pathetically false...



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