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Irish abortion referendum: Exit polls suggest landslide for repeal

 
 
Reply Sat 26 May, 2018 02:25 am
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Counting has started in the Irish abortion referendum, hours after exit polls suggested a landslide vote in favour of liberalising the law.

Polls by The Irish Times and RTÉ suggested about 69% voted to repeal a part of the constitution that effectively bans terminations.

Taoiseach (prime minister) Leo Varadkar, who supported the reforms, said it looked as if the country was about to "make history".

Counting began at 09:00 local time.

The official result is expected on Saturday evening.

Those taking part in Friday's referendum were asked whether they wanted to repeal or retain a part of the constitution known as the Eighth Amendment, which says an unborn child has the same right to life as a pregnant woman.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-44241521
 
glitterbag
 
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Reply Sat 26 May, 2018 02:29 am
@izzythepush,
I'm waiting to hear
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 26 May, 2018 02:46 am
@glitterbag,
The thing is, the current law didn't make termination illegal, just illegal in Ireland, so they all had to come over here to get it done. There have been some real horror stories about vulnerable women being separated from their families just when they need them most, and of unviable pregnancies being pushed to full term.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 26 May, 2018 07:39 am
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The Irish prime minister has hailed his country's "quiet revolution" as early results point to a "resounding" vote for overturning the abortion ban.

Leo Varadkar was speaking after exit polls suggested a landslide vote in favour of reforming the law.

"The people have spoken. They have said we need a modern constitution for a modern country," he said.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-44265492<br />
The No camp has already conceded so there's not likely to be any last minute surprises.
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Blickers
 
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Reply Sat 26 May, 2018 08:07 am
Good news to hear. 69% voted to allow abortion-that's a landslide.

No wonder the right wing is trying isolate the US from other advanced countries as much as possible. All the advanced nations are going against the way they want to impose on the US.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 26 May, 2018 08:21 am
@Blickers,
Ireland was the sole exception to Western Europe. To be honest abortion isn't an issue over here, every now and again some religious person will go on about it but nobody pays them any attention, and it certainly isn't an election issue.

The only time I've ever heard it come up was when I was canvassing for John Denham. A rather weird couple had some crib sheet given to them by an evangelical group, and they asked me about it, specifically John Denham's position. I had to be honest and say that I didn't really know because we'd never spoken about it, but as far as I was aware he, like most people in the Labour party, supported the woman's right to choose.

I don't know how they voted but John Denham won the seat alright.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 26 May, 2018 11:25 am
It's official.

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The Republic of Ireland has voted overwhelmingly to overturn the abortion ban by 66.4% to 33.6%.

A referendum held on Friday resulted in a landslide win for the repeal side.

Currently, abortion is only allowed when a woman's life is at risk, but not in cases of rape, incest or fatal foetal abnormality.

The Eighth Amendment, which grants an equal right to life to the mother and unborn will be replaced.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-44256152
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 26 May, 2018 01:20 pm
Now the focus moves closer to home.

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A landslide vote in favour of overturning Ireland's abortion ban gives "hope" to Northern Ireland, UK minister Penny Mordaunt has said.

The referendum result has sparked calls for the issue to be reassessed in Northern Ireland, where laws are much stricter than the rest of the UK.

But Democratic Unionist MP Ian Paisley said it "should not be bullied into accepting abortion on demand".

Voters in the Irish referendum backed a law change by 66.4% to 33.6%.

Following that result, Northern Ireland will soon become the only part of Britain and Ireland where terminations are all but outlawed.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44266135
Blickers
 
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Reply Sat 26 May, 2018 08:51 pm
@izzythepush,
Well, considering Northern Ireland was talking about joining the South in order to stay in the EU, it looks like they might decide to go along with reproductive rights as well.
laughoutlood
 
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Reply Sun 27 May, 2018 02:04 am
@izzythepush,
Finally. Does this mean that the British will be retrospectively aborted?
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 27 May, 2018 03:04 am
@Blickers,
The border issue has made support for Brexit a lot less popular in NI, but the Unionists are a pretty fanatical bunch. I can't see them wanting to join the rest of the island for a long time.

https://www.timetravelturtle.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Belfast-2014-419_new.jpg

There are still walls that separate the two communities, and they're still needed. Come July and marching season a whole lot of **** will kick off like it does every year.
Blickers
 
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Reply Sun 27 May, 2018 08:16 am
@izzythepush,
I must say, the quality of Irish political graffiti art is very high!
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 27 May, 2018 08:21 am
@Blickers,
Not just in Ireland. This lady does lots of fly by night stuff in Southampton.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dba7ycuXUAEbzN9.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DbpLkdkWAAAbZjh.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DUBb_NZXUAAmudq.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a0/a7/23/a0a7236b6feca6704c8baa6c3413856d.jpg
Blickers
 
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Reply Sun 27 May, 2018 08:38 am
@izzythepush,
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DUBb_NZXUAAmudq.jpg

Is the guy on the left famous, or is that her colleague in graffitti art?
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 27 May, 2018 09:20 am
@Blickers,
It's David Cameron and Theresa May, the last and current British prime minister, being portrayed as notorious Moors murderers Ian Brady and Myra Hindley.

You can google what they did, but suffice it to say the pair are a byword for pure evil over here.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 28 May, 2018 03:37 am
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The result of Ireland's abortion referendum has no impact on the law in Northern Ireland, the Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) leader has said.

Arlene Foster said the legislation governing abortion is a devolved matter.

She said it was for the Northern Ireland Assembly to debate such issues.

Labour and a number of senior Conservative MPs have called on Theresa May to back a reform in NI's abortion law after Friday's historic referendum.

Northern Ireland's abortion law is more restrictive than the rest of the UK.

Mrs Foster, whose party is propping up Theresa May's minority government, said a referendum was held in the Republic of Ireland because of the constitutional prohibition that existed there.

She said no such constitutional bar exists in Northern Ireland.

"Friday's referendum has no impact upon the law in Northern Ireland, but we obviously take note of issues impacting upon our nearest neighbour," Mrs Foster said in a statement.

"The legislation governing abortion is a devolved matter and it is for the Northern Ireland Assembly to debate and decide such issues."

Northern Ireland has been without a devolved government for almost 18 months, and several rounds of talks between the DUP and Sinn Féin have ended in failure.

The Northern Ireland Human Rights Commission has brought a case before the Supreme Court arguing that current abortion legislation is contrary to human rights, especially with regard to victims of sex crime and fatal foetal abnormality.

If the challenge proves successful, the court's ruling would go back to politicians.

"Then it would fall to the Northern Ireland Executive and the assembly, if it was sitting, or in the absence of an assembly it would then fall to Westminster to deal with this," the commission's Les Allamby said.

"If there was a refusal to deal with that, then that would become a very significant issue."

Dawn Butler, the shadow minister for women and equalities, has called on the government to support legislation to extend abortion rights to Northern Ireland.

She called it an "injustice" that women in Northern Ireland are "having to travel to mainland UK" to access an abortion.

"Labour's manifesto commits to working with the Northern Ireland Assembly to bring about these changes and we want to see the Assembly reconvened to make such important decisions, but nearly eighteen months on, women in Northern Ireland should not have to suffer in its absence," Ms Butler said.

The shadow Northern Ireland Secretary, Tony Lloyd, said the Labour Party wanted to ensure that women in Northern Ireland had access "to safe and legal abortion".

He said the preferred route to do that was through the assembly in Northern Ireland.

Shadow attorney general, Labour's Shami Chakrabarti, called on Mrs May "a self-identifying feminist, to negotiate with the parties of Northern Ireland and legislate on this without delay. We can't have democracy without fundamental human rights".

Dr Sarah Wollaston, chair of Westminster's health committee, said women in Northern Ireland should have the same rights as other UK residents.

Downing Street is understood to believe that any reform "is an issue for Northern Ireland".

Prime Minister Theresa May is facing pressure to act after Ireland voted to end its abortion ban in Friday's referendum.

But a Downing Street source said it showed "one of the important reasons we need a functioning executive back up and running".

Northern Ireland has been without a government since January 2017, after a power-sharing deal between the Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) and Sinn Féin collapsed.

Mrs May tweeted on Sunday: "The Irish Referendum yesterday was an impressive show of democracy which delivered a clear and unambiguous result. I congratulate the Irish people on their decision and all of #Together4Yes on their successful campaign." - PM @theresa_may #repealedthe8th"



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-44272326

The Tories are reliant on DUP votes to stay in government, and the DUP is opposed. There's only so many times May can say this is a matter for devolved parliament when there is no devolved parliament. This is a massive headache for her.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 28 May, 2018 03:39 am
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The result of Ireland's abortion referendum has no impact on the law in Northern Ireland, the Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) leader has said.

Arlene Foster said the legislation governing abortion is a devolved matter.

She said it was for the Northern Ireland Assembly to debate such issues.

Labour and a number of senior Conservative MPs have called on Theresa May to back a reform in NI's abortion law after Friday's historic referendum.

Northern Ireland's abortion law is more restrictive than the rest of the UK.

Mrs Foster, whose party is propping up Theresa May's minority government, said a referendum was held in the Republic of Ireland because of the constitutional prohibition that existed there.

She said no such constitutional bar exists in Northern Ireland.

"Friday's referendum has no impact upon the law in Northern Ireland, but we obviously take note of issues impacting upon our nearest neighbour," Mrs Foster said in a statement.

"The legislation governing abortion is a devolved matter and it is for the Northern Ireland Assembly to debate and decide such issues."

Northern Ireland has been without a devolved government for almost 18 months, and several rounds of talks between the DUP and Sinn Féin have ended in failure.

The Northern Ireland Human Rights Commission has brought a case before the Supreme Court arguing that current abortion legislation is contrary to human rights, especially with regard to victims of sex crime and fatal foetal abnormality.

If the challenge proves successful, the court's ruling would go back to politicians.

"Then it would fall to the Northern Ireland Executive and the assembly, if it was sitting, or in the absence of an assembly it would then fall to Westminster to deal with this," the commission's Les Allamby said.

"If there was a refusal to deal with that, then that would become a very significant issue."

Dawn Butler, the shadow minister for women and equalities, has called on the government to support legislation to extend abortion rights to Northern Ireland.

She called it an "injustice" that women in Northern Ireland are "having to travel to mainland UK" to access an abortion.

"Labour's manifesto commits to working with the Northern Ireland Assembly to bring about these changes and we want to see the Assembly reconvened to make such important decisions, but nearly eighteen months on, women in Northern Ireland should not have to suffer in its absence," Ms Butler said.

The shadow Northern Ireland Secretary, Tony Lloyd, said the Labour Party wanted to ensure that women in Northern Ireland had access "to safe and legal abortion".

He said the preferred route to do that was through the assembly in Northern Ireland.

Shadow attorney general, Labour's Shami Chakrabarti, called on Mrs May "a self-identifying feminist, to negotiate with the parties of Northern Ireland and legislate on this without delay. We can't have democracy without fundamental human rights".

Dr Sarah Wollaston, chair of Westminster's health committee, said women in Northern Ireland should have the same rights as other UK residents.

Downing Street is understood to believe that any reform "is an issue for Northern Ireland".

Prime Minister Theresa May is facing pressure to act after Ireland voted to end its abortion ban in Friday's referendum.

But a Downing Street source said it showed "one of the important reasons we need a functioning executive back up and running".

Northern Ireland has been without a government since January 2017, after a power-sharing deal between the Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) and Sinn Féin collapsed.

Mrs May tweeted on Sunday: "The Irish Referendum yesterday was an impressive show of democracy which delivered a clear and unambiguous result. I congratulate the Irish people on their decision and all of #Together4Yes on their successful campaign." - PM @theresa_may #repealedthe8th"



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-44272326

The Tories are reliant on DUP votes to stay in government, and the DUP is opposed to any changes. There's only so many times May can say this is a matter for devolved parliament when there is no devolved parliament. This is a massive headache for her.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 5 Jun, 2018 03:17 am
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MPs have won permission for an emergency debate on the abortion law in Northern Ireland.

Members from throughout the House - including government ministers - stood to back Labour MP Stella Creasy's call for a debate.

She told MPs the impact of the Irish referendum had been "felt around the world" and had "thrown a spotlight on the situation in Northern Ireland".

Speaker John Bercow granted a three-hour debate to take place on Tuesday.

Following last month's Irish referendum result, Northern Ireland will soon be the only part of either the UK or Ireland where abortion is illegal unless there is a serious risk to a woman's life or health.

There have been calls for the UK Parliament to legislate for abortion reform in Northern Ireland in the absence of a functioning devolved government.

Ms Creasy wants the Offences against the Persons Act 1861 to be repealed, saying this would remove a block to abortion law reform in Northern Ireland.

Her debate will not change the law but will give MPs a chance to air their views.

Earlier Theresa May met Conservative MPs pressing for changes to Northern Ireland's abortion laws amid calls for an emergency debate on the issue.

She met ex-ministers Amber Rudd, Maria Miller and Justine Greening, as well as women's minister Penny Mordaunt.

The PM has so far resisted calls to act in Northern Ireland following last month's landslide vote in the Irish Republic to liberalise its own laws.

No 10 says it should be dealt with by Stormont once devolution is restored.

"We recognise there are strongly-held views on all sides of the debate in Northern Ireland and that's why our focus is on restoring that democratically accountable, devolved government," Downing Street said after the meeting.

The Democratic Unionist Party, on whom Mrs May relies for her parliamentary majority, opposes changes to abortion law in Northern Ireland.

On Monday its leader Arlene Foster said some nationalist voters backed its stance.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44357581
Blickers
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jun, 2018 10:34 pm
@izzythepush,
In fairness to May, it seems to me if by treaty this is a question for Northern Ireland to deal with by itself, there might not be too much legally she can do to bring Northern Ireland into line with the rest of the UK on the issue. I guess she could make speeches supporting the repeal of the abortion ban over there, but maybe not much more than that.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 7 Jun, 2018 12:43 am
@Blickers,
Northern Ireland has no functioning government, the two sides, (DUP and SinnFein,) are in complete disagreement. There's been no government for 18 months, how much longer does this have to go on before Westminster has to step in?
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