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Reply Sat 23 Dec, 2017 09:08 pm
Does "the things black box state" mean "the things black box describe/respond"?

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Black box theories are things defined only in terms of their function. The term black box theory is applied to any field, philosophy and science or otherwise where some inquiry or definition is made into the relations between the appearance of something, i.e. here specifically the things black box state, related to its characteristics and behaviour within. Specifically, the inquiry is focused upon a thing that has no immediately apparent characteristics and therefore has only factors for consideration held within itself hidden from immediate observation. The observer is assumed ignorant in the first instance as the majority of available data is held in an inner situation away from facile investigations. The black box element of the definition is shown as being characterised by a system where observable elements enter a perhaps imaginary box with a set of different outputs emerging which are also observable.

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PUNKEY
 
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Reply Tue 26 Dec, 2017 08:28 am
An inquiry or definition would have stated clues, so the word is appropriate.

The entire paragraph is not easily understood.

oristarA
 
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Reply Tue 26 Dec, 2017 10:44 am
@PUNKEY,
Thank you
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Reply Tue 26 Dec, 2017 02:04 pm
In science, engineering and computing, 'black box thinking' is a way of talking about the behaviour of a machine, component, or system without referring to its internal workings.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7c/Blackbox3D-withGraphs.png/893px-Blackbox3D-withGraphs.png

A thing's black box black box state means its external visible state.
PUNKEY
 
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Reply Tue 26 Dec, 2017 03:22 pm
Then wouldn't it have been:

the thing's black box state...
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oristarA
 
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Reply Tue 26 Dec, 2017 11:12 pm
@centrox,
Thank you.

centrox wrote:


A thing's black box black box state means its external visible state.


Your "state" above is a noun, yet in the OP (the "state" in "the things black box state") it appears to be a verb.
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Reply Wed 27 Dec, 2017 12:59 am
@oristarA,
oristarA wrote:
Your "state" above is a noun, yet in the OP (the "state" in "the things black box state") it appears to be a verb.

I am using it as a noun. So is the Wikipedia article we both copied it from.
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Reply Wed 27 Dec, 2017 07:30 am
@centrox,
centrox wrote:

oristarA wrote:
Your "state" above is a noun, yet in the OP (the "state" in "the things black box state") it appears to be a verb.

I am using it as a noun. So is the Wikipedia article we both copied it from.



Well, if the "state" in "the things black box state" is a verb, what is the subject of the verb? Should it be "the thing's black box state" as Punkey has pointed out?

PUNKEY wrote:

Then wouldn't it have been:

the thing's black box state...
centrox
 
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Reply Wed 27 Dec, 2017 07:58 am
@oristarA,
oristarA wrote:
Well, if the "state" in "the things black box state" is a verb, what is the subject of the verb? Should it be "the thing's black box state" as Punkey has pointed out?

The "state" is a noun, that is, the black box state of the thing being discussed. In the original text, which you attempted to copy, there is a possessive apostrophe in "thing's", which you omitted in the OP.

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centrox
 
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Reply Wed 27 Dec, 2017 08:49 am
@oristarA,
oristarA wrote:
"the things black box state"

If you consider 'state' to be a verb here, this does not make sense. Missing apostrophe already noted.


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