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Net Neutrality voted down - breaking

 
 
Reply Thu 14 Dec, 2017 12:33 pm
They just broke the net
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Region Philbis
 
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Reply Thu 14 Dec, 2017 12:45 pm
@edgarblythe,

yet we are still posting on it...
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Thu 14 Dec, 2017 01:04 pm
The vote was just minutes ago.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Thu 14 Dec, 2017 01:06 pm
3-2 vote by FCC repeals Obama-era 'net neutrality' rules for equal access to internet

WASHINGTON, D.C. --
The FCC votes on party lines to undo sweeping Obama-era 'net neutrality' rules that guaranteed equal access to internet.

The three Republican members of the FCC panel voted in favor of the repeal, while the two Democratic members dissented.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Thu 14 Dec, 2017 01:12 pm
When the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) voted December 14 to repeal the rules protecting a fast, fair, and open internet, the lobbyists for the internet service providers realized their long-envisioned strategy to gut the authority of the agency that since 1934 has been charged with overseeing the activities of the nation’s essential networks.

“Here’s how the telecom industry plans to defang their regulators,” a September 12, 2013

Washington Post headline announced. “[T]elecom giants including Verizon, AT&T and Comcast have launched multiple efforts to shift regulation of their broadband business to other agencies that don’t have nearly as much power as the FCC,” the article explained.
The companies’ goal: to move regulatory jurisdiction from the Federal Communications Commission to the Federal Trade Commission (FTC). Strategically, it is a brilliant sleight of hand since the FTC has no rulemaking authority and no telecommunications expertise, yet the companies and the policymakers who support them can trot out the line that the FTC will protect consumers.
By a party-line vote, the Trump FCC executed the network companies’ playbook to perfection. The press has focused on the repeal of the Obama era net neutrality rules, but the Commission went far beyond that to deliver just what the headline proclaimed. The agency responsible for oversight of the nation’s networks has disavowed responsibility for the internet.
With this vote, the FCC walked away from over a decade of bipartisan efforts to oversee the fairness and openness of companies such as Comcast, AT&T, Charter, and Verizon. These four companies control over 75 percent of the residential internet access in America, usually through a local monopoly. Henceforth, they will be able to make their own rules, subject only to very limited after-the-fact review.
For a dozen years, both Republican and Democrat FCCs have protected consumers from the actions of internet service providers. That bipartisan legacy has been renounced by the Trump FCC, which has washed its hands of any oversight responsibility.


We only are talking about the network that defines the 21st century.
We are only talking about the network that has redefined how each of us go about our daily lives.
We are only talking about the network that has reshaped economic activity and will continue to do so.

Yet, we are also talking about a network where there will no longer be a responsible authority proactively looking out for the interests of the users against the desires of the owners.
The assertion that the FTC will be able to provide that protection adequately is an empty promise. The people at the FTC are good people, but they have neither network expertise, nor the authority to make rules. The responsibility of the FTC—spread out across the entire economy as opposed to the focused attention of the FCC—is to bring an enforcement action against a company for “unfair or deceptive acts or practices.” Such enforcement actions are backward-looking, after the horse is out of the barn—or the barn has burned down, for that matter.
There is also ongoing litigation that the FTC may, in fact, have no authority over the network companies. Interestingly, it was AT&T that sued the FTC to claim the agency had no authority over an alleged advertising violation because only the FCC had authority over them. Now, while that case is still pending, AT&T is leading the lobbying charge that the FTC has plenty of authority to protect consumers and the expert agency, the FCC, should back away from its responsibilities.
The FCC’s renunciation of the open internet is a clean-sweep for the network companies to whom we write our monthly checks. Not only have the networks captured their regulator, but have bent Congress to their will when it repealed a prior FCC rule to prohibit network operators from capturing and selling personal information without permission. Conveniently, the companies’ solution for protecting consumer privacy is also taking authority from the FCC and claiming the FTC can do the job.
The 2013 network lobbyists’ playbook has just clinch the regulatory Super Bowl. Both in Congress and the FCC, the major internet companies have delivered on their 2013 plan to shift regulatory responsibility to less powerful agencies. The result may be year-end bonuses for the company lobbyists, but it’s a lump of coal for consumers.

AT&T, Comcast, and Verizon are donors to the Brookings Institution. The findings, interpretations, and conclusions posted in this piece are solely those of the author and not influenced by any donation

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Region Philbis
 
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Reply Thu 14 Dec, 2017 01:13 pm
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And how will repealing net neutrality affect me?

First, it's important to say what won't happen: Billion-dollar services like Netflix are not going to
disappear overnight without net neutrality. They have large enough audiences and bank accounts
to survive in a changing regulatory landscape.

Instead, net neutrality advocates worry how repeal will impact the next Netflix. Upstart companies
may struggle to strike deals with providers and pay up to have their content delivered faster. That
could fundamentally alter the future internet landscape.

The repeal could change how customers are billed for services, both for good and bad. T-Mobile,
for example, was criticized by net neutrality supporters for effectively making it cheaper for
customers to stream videos from Netflix and HBO, putting other video services at a disadvantage.

Without net neutrality, internet providers may pursue similar offers more aggressively, which would
likely be viewed as a positive by consumers looking to save money on their streaming media.

Yet, some fear it's also possible internet providers will one day begin charging customers more to
access services like Netflix that are currently included as part of your monthly bill.
(cnn)
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Region Philbis
 
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Reply Thu 14 Dec, 2017 01:25 pm

https://i.imgur.com/j9DaVj1.jpg
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Thu 14 Dec, 2017 01:28 pm
I don't think it will happen like the dropping of a curtain, but the controls, which involves guiding and limiting what you have access to and charging extra fees, will be very gradually introduced, to keep the public from revolting en mass. Already, Google and others try to guide one's surfing.
rosborne979
 
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Reply Thu 14 Dec, 2017 01:53 pm
@edgarblythe,
This is essentially correct. The Internet Service Providers will not do anything immediately or obviously. Kind of like how they sneak new charges into their monthly bills and eventually you say, "Hey, how come I used to pay $87/month for Cable and now I'm paying, $120/month... how'd that happen?"

Cable companies also don't want to bill customers directly, what they prefer to do is to bill the large providers like Netflix, but of course, Netflix will need to increase their own user fees to cover the cost, so the consumer will end up paying more no matter what.

The bottom line in understanding why this is inevitable is to recognize that ISP's spent millions of dollars in lobbying to get Net Neutrality changed, so they obviously plan to recoup those losses somehow, and the only way to ultimately recoup them is to extract the costs from the consumer. ISP's do not stand to gain anything in efficiency of delivery from these changes so there is no other way for them to do it. Whether it's the ISP's increasing the bill or Netflix increasing the bill it's always the consumers who will pay.

Without Net Neutrality rules in place it's not impossible for there to come a day when you click on A2K and get a message that "You do not have access to that site with your current plan, but for an additional $4.99/month you can. Click Here. " This is already happening in Spain, where they also do not have Net Neutrality regulation.
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tsarstepan
 
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Reply Thu 14 Dec, 2017 03:28 pm
@edgarblythe,
NY Attorney General Eric Schneiderman
https://i.imgur.com/9R2TmBL.jpg
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Thu 14 Dec, 2017 03:34 pm
There at not many packages I would buy, including Facebook.
rosborne979
 
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Reply Thu 14 Dec, 2017 06:57 pm
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:
There at not many packages I would buy, including Facebook.

You shouldn't have to buy any "packages" on the Internet. The Internet is just a network connection, you pay for a certain speed connection, and that's all your provider should ever care about what you do with that stream.
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maporsche
 
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Reply Sun 17 Dec, 2017 10:05 pm
Votes for Jill Stein have consequences.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 17 Dec, 2017 10:19 pm
@maporsche,
Being an asshole also has consequences.
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engineer
 
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Reply Fri 26 Jan, 2018 06:32 am
Burger King explains net neutrality in a Whopper commercial

rosborne979
 
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Reply Fri 26 Jan, 2018 11:17 am
@engineer,
That's a great clip. Why did Burger King do this? Do they have a direct stake in the net neutrality issue? What's their connection?
Region Philbis
 
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Reply Fri 26 Jan, 2018 11:22 am
@rosborne979,

no connection... they just want to sell burgers...
engineer
 
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Reply Fri 26 Jan, 2018 12:37 pm
@rosborne979,
It's a win-win. They post a viral clip that shows lots of people lusting over whoppers while appealing to their target demographic and explain net neutrality at the same time.
rosborne979
 
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Reply Fri 26 Jan, 2018 12:39 pm
@Region Philbis,
Region Philbis wrote:
no connection... they just want to sell burgers...

Yup, that's what I would think. But for some reason they risked pissing off a bunch of their customers just to make a video.

I think it's a valuable message and I'm glad they did it, but I just don't see a direct connection.
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Fri 26 Jan, 2018 12:40 pm
@engineer,
engineer wrote:

It's a win-win. They post a viral clip that shows lots of people lusting over whoppers while appealing to their target demographic and explain net neutrality at the same time.

Ok. That makes some sense. I guess. You don't think there's anything more to it than that?
 

 
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