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Is Jesus Christ the Holy Spirit? Please compare verses 14:6, 16:13, and 16:7 of John.

 
 
Reply Thu 19 Oct, 2017 03:49 am
Jesus Christ said that He is "the way, the truth, and the life" (John 14:6). He also said in John 16:13, "Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth". Jesus referred to the Spirit of truth as the Comforter or the Holy Ghost (Holy Spirit). Does this mean that Jesus and the Holy Spirit are one and the same? Both say that they are the truth.

Why did Jesus say in John 16:7, "Nevertheless I tell you the truth: It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you, but if I depart, I will send him unto you". Why would the Holy Spirit not come if Jesus did not depart?

After Jesus ascended to Heaven (Acts 1:2-12), the Holy Spirit came immediately and
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centrox
 
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Reply Thu 19 Oct, 2017 03:54 am
@peacecrusader888,
Jesus is the son in Father, Son, and Holy Ghost (Spirit), the Holy Trinity, Thus he cannot be both Son and Spirit.
peacecrusader888
 
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Reply Thu 19 Oct, 2017 04:25 am
@peacecrusader888,
After Jesus ascended to Heaven (Acts 1:2-12), the Holy Spirit came immediately and gave the disciples the gift of speaking in tongue that they were able to talk to the pilgrims who came from different parts of the world and speaking in various languages (Acts 2). Do you think that this Holy Spirit is Jesus Himself?
hightor
 
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Reply Thu 19 Oct, 2017 04:38 am
@peacecrusader888,
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Do you think that this Holy Spirit is Jesus Himself?

I doubt that it even matter very much.
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peacecrusader888
 
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Reply Thu 19 Oct, 2017 05:25 am
@centrox,
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Jesus is the son in Father, Son, and Holy Ghost (Spirit), the Holy Trinity, Thus he cannot be both Son and Spirit.


The Trinity is not in the Holy Bible. What term would you give to what Jesus said in Matthew 28:19, "in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost"? The Father is God. Are the Son and the Holy Ghost God also?
PUNKEY
 
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Reply Thu 19 Oct, 2017 06:42 am
He's a bird....
He's a plane....
He's ......
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Sturgis
 
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Reply Thu 19 Oct, 2017 11:17 am
@peacecrusader888,
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The father is god. Are the son and the holy ghost god also?!


No. God is the big cheese. Jesus and the holy spirit are those who communicate the desires of god. Humans are said to be ill equipped to handle the sight of god and that such a sight would send them into a state of mental destabilization. It is only after death of the human flesh that the soul within can merge with those others who have bodies which expired and then go and see god in god's true form.
centrox
 
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Reply Thu 19 Oct, 2017 12:39 pm
@Sturgis,
Sturgis wrote:
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Are the son and the holy ghost god also?!


No. God is the big cheese.

Are you sure? We used to sing a hymn that went "God in three persons - blessed Trinity!" Mind you, I am a lapsed Anglican. I think the fourth Lateran Council stated that they are co-equal, co-eternal and consubstantial, and each is God, whole and entire.

https://images.imgbox.com/75/e2/7k1q9Zwj_o.jpg
peacecrusader888
 
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Reply Thu 19 Oct, 2017 02:41 pm
@centrox,
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Are you sure? We used to sing a hymn that went "God in three persons - blessed Trinity!" Mind you, I am a lapsed Anglican. I think the fourth Lateran Council stated that they are co-equal, co-eternal and consubstantial, and each is God, whole and entire.

Do you believe that "each is God, whole and entire"? Do you believe that they are "co-equal, co-eternal and consubstantial"? But it says that "God in three persons -- blessed Trinity".
centrox
 
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Reply Thu 19 Oct, 2017 03:54 pm
@peacecrusader888,
See the diagram.
peacecrusader888
 
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Reply Thu 19 Oct, 2017 03:59 pm
@centrox,
How about taking out "Is Not"? Then, we have the Father Is God, the Son Is God, and the Holy Spirit is God. The blessed Trinity: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.
hightor
 
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Reply Fri 20 Oct, 2017 03:15 am
@peacecrusader888,
Why not just accept that the Trinity was basically a dodge, a way of rationalizing theological difficulties raised by the alleged divinity of Jesus? It's obviously taken a considerable effort to justify this artifice over the years and many practicing Christians have rejected the whole notion as sheer casuistry at best, nonsense at worst.
peacecrusader888
 
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Reply Sun 22 Oct, 2017 03:07 am
@hightor,
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Why not just accept that the Trinity was basically a dodge, a way of rationalizing theological difficulties raised by the alleged divinity of Jesus? It's obviously taken a considerable effort to justify this artifice over the years and many practicing Christians have rejected the whole notion as sheer casuistry at best, nonsense at worst.

When I was in the sixth grade, I asked the catechist, what the Trinity was. She said it was a mystery of the church. Since, it is a mystery, I just leave it as a mystery, until the spirit of Ama explained it to me. I believe Him.

Trinity not a mystery anymore
peacecrusader888
 
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Reply Sun 22 Oct, 2017 03:32 am
@peacecrusader888,

The Holy Trinity is not a mystery anymore

The spirit of Ama and I had a conversation about the Trinity. This is how it went:

Aristeo Fernando: Ama, what is the meaning of Jesus Christ sitting at the right hand of God?
Ama: To His right.
Aristeo: Is that to His right?
Ama: Yes.
Aristeo: Aren't they only one? Jesus Christ, He is that God. Why will He say to His right?
Ama: Right. Right. Because there is God the Father.
Aristeo: Isn't God the Father, He is also Jesus Christ?
Ama: Good. That is right. But they were made into three: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. It is only one but they were made into three.
Aristeo: Ama, You are that God the Holy Spirit, aren't You? You are also Jesus whose spirit lived in the physical body of what we call Jesus Christ. Is that correct?
Ama: Good. For example, you, your child said "Daddy, please buy me a dress." Then your daughter said, "Daddy, please buy me a dress." You don't have sufficient money to buy for the two. You will ask yourself, who will you buy immediately? Who is that? Question. Isn't it that it is you yourself? Who did you ask? Isn't it that it is you yourself? Who said that it is that child you have to buy immediately? Isn't it that it is you yourself? Then you are three.

The one who decided is God the Father. The one who asked the question, God the Son. The Holy Spirit, who is it? That is the answer. You are three but you are only one.

(For Filipinos, this conversation is at http://aristean.org/transcript006.htm titled "Paliwanag tungkol sa Trinity".) (From 1999-04-25)
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starzone33faction
 
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Reply Tue 14 Nov, 2017 11:01 am
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The bible tells us that God is a Spirit. The attributes and manifestations of the Creator - Holy Spirit are a Creator a Father a Sacrificed Son and Savior .

All these THREE are God and they are One. 1. A primary Numeral One.
NOT THREE.

The Father is the Holy Spirit and The Holy Spirit is Called FATHER because the Holy Spirit Created and therefore became a Father.

The same Holy Spirit Placed His Eternal SPIRIT into a Body and was born into the world and the Holy SPIRIT therefore became a Son.

The Three are not THRE. They are - 1. ONE.

Not a Catholic Triangle or a threesome or three triplet persons.

BUT ONE. the Same Holy Spirit, manifesting revealing and working and being THE INVISIBLE SPIRIT God /... Who is a Father / Creator and also manifested Himself { His Spirit as a Son. }

There simply is no CATHOLISLAMIC God.
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starzone33faction
 
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Reply Tue 14 Nov, 2017 11:12 am
Remember that Roman Catholics simply have no scriptures for their faith.

The Goal of the Roman Catholic is to pervert the Original Manuscripts and spread His False translation.

We see - What the Spirit of God Looks like - Through The Eyes John. In a Vision.

The Basic Greek Manuscripts READ eXactly as FOLLOWS. Basic GREEK MANUSCRIPTS …

The Holy Spirit - Residing UPON His Throne. Here in - Rev 4:2.

Rev 4:2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven,

and sitting on the throne.

Rev 4:3 And sitting, a - G3706 vision - appearing as jasper and as sardine stone:

and there was a rainbow round about the throne, a - G3706 vision - appearing emerald.

This is How The GREEK MANUSCRIPTS READ. The Rest is Added by the Translators.
It is Ok To add Stuff to help People Understand. But the King James Translators Lie and Mistranslate to Alter and Change the Word Of God.
Lets Notice ANOTHER Mistake - The King James Translators make.

Rev 5:7 AndG2532 he cameG2064 andG2532 tookG2983 theG3588 bookG975 out ofG1537 theG3588 right hand G1188 of him that satG2521 uponG1909 theG3588 throne.G2362

The King James Translation is incorrect.

All the Manuscripts are saying here in Rev 5:7 is simply that
THE LAMB - cameG2064 andG2532 tookG2983 theG3588 bookG975 FROM G1537 theG3588 right side G1188 of that G2521 uponG1909 theG3588 throne.G2362 .

We know - The Holy Spirit is THAT - Which is - THAT DWELLING, RESIDING - UPON The Throne.
The Holy Spirit Has no Hands, No Feet, No Rear End - To Sit, No Mouth and no Body. He is SPIRIT>/.. Invisible. Immortal, Light.

Christ, / The Lamb is the Physical Manifestation of that Holy SPIRIT. The Lamb Takes the Book that is - PRESENT - there at the RIGHT SIDE of the Throne .

Not in the Hand of the Spirit on the Throne. There is no HAND - in the Verse.

There is NO right hand of Gods Spirit in the VERSE. The Translators Lied.
the RIGHT SIDE of the Throne is where Christ also is. That is HIS POSITION of POWER>

That is Why Only HE = Is able to OPEN the Book that sits - THE BOOK is Sitting at the RIGHT SIDE of the THRONE

Christ is Also sitting at the RIGHT side of the POWER of the Spirit. He is the WORD of God.

And the Greek Word for A Hand Or Hands - is GREEK 5495 χείρ Cheir / Khire.

The hand. A Hand Or Hands.

And the Greek Word for Right Side. is GREEK 1188 δεξιός , Dexios, Dex-ee-os' The Right. Right.

REMEMBER
Right = Dexios Greek1188 δεξιός
Hand = Cheir GREEK 5495 χείρ
Rev 20:1 AndG2532 I sawG1492 an angelG32 come downG2597 fromG1537 heaven,G3772 havingG2192 theG3588 keyG2807 of theG3588 bottomless pitG12 andG2532 a greatG3173 chainG254 inG1909 hisG848 hand. Hand = Cheir GREEK 5495 χείρ

Notice the Manuscripts always tell You when it is the - RIGHT HAND. They always Put the Two Greek Words Together. Here the Greek Word ( RIGHT ) - Is not in the Manuscripts. Just the Word hand is mentioned in - Rev 20:1.

Here we see the Usage of right Greek 1188 /
and hand Greek 5495 - Used in the manuscripts.

Rev 1:16 AndG2532 he hadG2192 inG1722 hisG848 Right = Dexios Greek1188 δεξιός …. Hand = Cheir GREEK 5495 χείρ …… sevenG2033 stars:G792
………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….
Rev 1:17 AndG2532 whenG3753 I sawG1492 him,G846 I fellG4098 atG4314 hisG848 feetG4228 asG5613 dead.G3498 AndG2532 he laidG2007 hisG848 Right = Dexios Greek1188 δεξιός …. Hand = Cheir GREEK 5495 χείρ …….uponG1909 me,G1691 ………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….
Rev 13:16 AndG2532 he causethG4160 all,G3956 both smallG3398 andG2532 great,G3173(G2532) richG4145 andG2532 poor,G4434 (G2532) freeG1658 andG2532 bond,G1401 toG2443 receiveG1325 G846 a markG5480 inG1909 theirG848 Right = Dexios Greek1188 δεξιός …. Hand = Cheir GREEK 5495 χείρ
………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….
The Authors of the Scriptures TELL YOU Clearly that it is the RIGHT HAND. They always USE the Two GREEK WORDS> Right = Dexios and Hand = Cheir
Ok - Lets notice the Authors use Right and Foot - together.
Rev 10:2 AndG2532 he hadG2192 inG1722 hisG848 handG5495 a little bookG974 open:G455 andG2532 he setG5087 hisG848 Right = Dexios Greek1188 δεξιός / GREEK 4228 πούς pous pooce A “foot …… uponG1909 theG3588 sea,G2281

You see… This Word that the TRANSLATORS are CLAIMING is the Word for RIGHT HAND OF POWER

and IN THE RIGHT HAND OF THE SPIRIT ON THE THRONE. is SUDDENLY Referring to - The RIGHT FOOT.
and here

The RIGHT EYE. Mat 5:29 AndG1161 ifG1487 thyG4675 right G1188 eye G3788 offendG4624 thee,G4571
Mat 5:39 whosoeverG3748 shall smiteG4474 theeG4571 onG1909 thyG4675 right G1188 cheek,G4600

This Greek Word - Right = Dexios - Has nothing to do with the Hand.

Rev 1:16 AndG2532 he hadG2192 inG1722 hisG848 Right = Dexios Greek1188 δεξιός …. Hand = Cheir GREEK 5495 χείρ……… sevenG2033 stars:G792

The Manuscripts always tell You it is the Right Hand.

Mat 5:39 whosoeverG3748 shall smiteG4474 theeG4571 onG1909 thyG4675 right Right = Dexios - cheek,G4600

again - nothing to do with a Hand . The Translators go through The Bible Adding many things that are not there in the Original Greek And Hebrew.
The English KING JAMES BIBLE VERSON - Has Solidified the ENGLISH Language Gave us the TERM Right of Power. This is Christ.

The Term Right Hand of Power does not eXist in the Manuscripts. Christ is the Rightful Receiver of all Power and Glory of God. The Translators Simply wanted to follow a Catholic DOGMA and attribute the Holy Spirit as a Separate Person of the Trinity - With a Hand and separate body parts .
When in Fact Christ is the ARM of the Holy Spirit.

Isaiah 53:1 Who has believed our message? And to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed?

John 12:38 This was to fulfill the word of Isaiah the prophet which he spoke: "LORD, WHO HAS BELIEVED OUR REPORT? AND TO WHOM HAS THE ARM OF THE LORD BEEN REVEALED?" Christ is the Arm, The Voice, The Hand and the Blood and eXpressed Image - of the Invisible Spirit of God. God - The Spirit - Made Flesh.

Jesus is not seated AS the RIGHT hand of power

He is at The RIGHT OF POWER.. The Catholic translators Lied.

there is no such a Idea of RIGHT HAND OF POWER in the bible.
it simply says RIGHT OF POWER in the original greek.
peacecrusader888
 
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Reply Tue 22 May, 2018 07:39 pm
Yes, He is.
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brianjakub
 
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Reply Mon 11 Jun, 2018 10:37 pm
@peacecrusader888,
The Father is the Idea
Jesus is the Idea expressed in Living Words
The Holy Spirit makes sure Satan does not mess up the true meaning of the Living Word
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steven bill
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jul, 2018 11:12 am
@centrox,
wrong. Jesus christ IS the holyspirit. God is jesus christ mind.The holyspirit is jesus christ spirit. And jesus is the temple.
''I will destroy this temple and in three days..'' You know the rest. When you give your life to christ, you make your body a temple [just like jesus] of the holy spirit. you get a new mind which is God. [God speaks every day to you,but the spirit in a still small voice] where is jesus in all of this? ''what shall it profit a man to gain the whole world and loose his soul.'' Jesus secures your soul. He carries your burden.He grants your soul eternal life not in damnation [hell] but in heaven. The he grants you immortality on the last day when he returns so you can scream ''oh death, where is your sting!'' your body will then prosper, just as your soul prospers, brother.
brianjakub
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jul, 2018 04:37 pm
@steven bill,
Jesus had a will and spirit of his own that was free to do what it wanted separate from God the Father's. That is why Jesus was able to say not my will but yours be done.
 

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