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Your opinion on abortion

 
 
centrox
 
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Reply Sun 15 Oct, 2017 04:14 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
It is exactly the same.

It is not. Affording women the right to decide what to do with their own bodies is not "limiting gender equality to people who can become pregnant".

centrox
 
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Reply Sun 15 Oct, 2017 04:57 am
Oralloy, can my wife decide if I must submit to vasectomy or circumcision? Or prevent me from having those things done?

oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 15 Oct, 2017 10:04 am
@centrox,
centrox wrote:
oralloy wrote:
It is exactly the same.

It is not.

On the one hand, you have "limiting racial equality so that it applies to only one race". On the other hand, you have "limiting gender equality so that it applies to only one gender".


centrox wrote:
Affording women the right to decide what to do with their own bodies is not "limiting gender equality to people who can become pregnant".

Whether that statement is true or not depends on further details. It would depend on how well a given society did in affording men the same degree of control over whether or not they become fathers.

Directing a sizable chunk of federal funding towards developing reliable male contraception would go a long way towards achieving much greater gender equality.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 15 Oct, 2017 10:06 am
@centrox,
centrox wrote:
Oralloy, can my wife decide if I must submit to vasectomy or circumcision? Or prevent me from having those things done?

Actually under the current system men are seldom given the ability to choose whether they are circumcised. A society with gender equality would let all men make that choice for themselves.
dalehileman
 
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Reply Sun 15 Oct, 2017 12:20 pm
@Miss L Toad,
Quote:
Quote:
I would like to hear your opinion's on the subject.
Quote:
Why?


Oftentimes I'm absolutely delighted
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CalamityJane
 
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Reply Sun 15 Oct, 2017 12:52 pm
@oralloy,
It's not "men" it's male babies who get circumcised. That has nothing to do with abortion, though!
Gender equality? Surely you suggest: Viagra is available through prescription, contraceptives aren't - they cost about $30/month and has to be paid out of pocket. Free health clinics, such as Planned Parenthood, no longer receive any government funding, yet 90 % of their work is womens' health - only 10 % are abortions and have to be paid out of pocket.

According to the Journal of Marriage and Family, only 23 % of absentee fathers make child support.

So the last time I checked, yes, there is no gender equality - women are still discriminated against!
oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 15 Oct, 2017 02:39 pm
@CalamityJane,
CalamityJane wrote:
It's not "men" it's male babies who get circumcised.

Babies are unable to give consent for such a thing.


CalamityJane wrote:
That has nothing to do with abortion, though!

If you want "my body my choice" to apply to one gender, you might want to give a thought to letting it apply to the other gender as well.


CalamityJane wrote:
According to the Journal of Marriage and Family, only 23 % of absentee fathers make child support.

That's what happens when men are forced into fatherhood against their will. Have the government put some serious funding into developing a male contraceptive and those numbers will become more favorable.


CalamityJane wrote:
Viagra is available through prescription, contraceptives aren't - they cost about $30/month and has to be paid out of pocket.

Get the government to fund the development of those male contraceptives that I mentioned, and you might see an upsurge in support for having contraceptives covered by insurance.


CalamityJane wrote:
Free health clinics, such as Planned Parenthood, no longer receive any government funding, yet 90 % of their work is womens' health - only 10 % are abortions and have to be paid out of pocket.

What percentage of their work is men's health?


CalamityJane wrote:
So the last time I checked, yes, there is no gender equality - women are still discriminated against!

As are men. You aren't going to be able to end discrimination against one unless you also end discrimination against the other.
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dre0017
 
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Reply Mon 16 Oct, 2017 10:01 am
@Miss L Toad,
I was having a discussion in class on the subject. So i was curious to hear other people's opinion's.
dalehileman
 
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Reply Mon 16 Oct, 2017 12:10 pm
@dre0017,
Well MIT you sure came to the right place
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Katha
 
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Reply Tue 17 Oct, 2017 03:46 am
It is so fifficult question. But I tend to think that abortion must be legal. The women must decide by themselves, whether they need a child or no. And for child it will be better too. If he/she is growing with mother, who didn't want, this child will suffer so much. It wouldn't be a norma life, indeed.
dalehileman
 
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Reply Tue 17 Oct, 2017 11:09 am
@Katha,
Still, Kath, is it okay to kill a baby
centrox
 
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Reply Tue 17 Oct, 2017 12:33 pm
@dalehileman,
dalehileman wrote:

Still, Kath, is it okay to kill a baby

A fetus is not a baby yet. And aborting it is not "killing" it.

dalehileman
 
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Reply Tue 17 Oct, 2017 06:23 pm
@centrox,
Cmon Cen
roger
 
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Reply Tue 17 Oct, 2017 06:45 pm
@dalehileman,
I agree with him on language threads, too.
dalehileman
 
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Reply Wed 18 Oct, 2017 12:45 pm
@roger,
Rog that'n' had me goin' 'til I scanned Page 1. Your indirect approach really appreciated, made my day !!
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