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Cheater - Need advice, guidance, help or just a good kick in the pants

 
 
VW1977
 
Reply Thu 20 Jul, 2017 01:20 am
None of the following are excuses or attempts to place blame on anyone. I take full responsibility for my actions and recognize that I have a serious problem and short of seeking professional help, looking for other peoples' opinions on this site.

I grew up with some men in my family who had women on the side and although it was always seemingly hidden from their wives, it was not always hidden from me. How and where did I witness? In social settings. Relatives would take me places and often there were different women that even at a young age, I could tell they were more than just friendships. This didn't seem "cool" to me but normal at the time. I was very young when I first witnessed this behavior and as I grew older put the pieces together and what had been occurring was clear. It was cheating. Girls/women were simply disposable.

I entered my first "serious" relationship in '96 when I was 18. We married in '02 and the marriage ended in '14. I cheated during that lengthy span but will say that the marriage did not end because of my infidelities. The net of that whole situation is that we stayed together for the wrong reasons from day one.

After the marriage was over I started dating again. Having been in an empty relationship for so many years I knew what I was looking for in a partner and what I had to offer (my good side of course, believe me I have one). I met some pretty compatible women along the way but my ways had not changed. On top of this, I convinced myself that for some reason everyone that I met was just like me. Even though no one gave me a reason to believe they were up to no good, I made up my own reasons as to why they were and continued cheating, disposing of and moving on to the next, etc. I was not cheating because I thought they were. I was just being who I always was. This is when I fully recognized that I had some serious problems.

If I could not trust myself, why in the world would I trust anyone else?

The reason that I chose to open this account and post is because I met someone who I feel is more than just "pretty compatible". She is amazing. She is the first person that I have opened up to about my problem and resulting insecurities with trust. Despite my issues and along with already having tried to push her away twice, she expressed wanting me to seek help. I do not disagree with needing or seeking help, which is why I am here. More importantly, because I would very much like to make things work with her.

tl;dr? I have always been a cheater who has not been able to trust myself and because of this, much less trust anyone else.

Your input is appreciated. It is past 0200 so I hope this makes sense.
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jespah
 
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Reply Thu 20 Jul, 2017 08:30 am
I'm going to toss down the therapy card immediately.

Talk to an impartial professional about how you feel, not just about women but also your trust issues.
VW1977
 
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Reply Thu 20 Jul, 2017 11:51 am
@jespah,
jespah, thank you very much for the reply. I believe that pretty much anywhere I seek guidance the consensus will likely be to get professional help.

I wanted to provide some clarity here as well. As I wrote the initial message obviously not everything or thought that has flooded my mind made it into the post. That said, I am able to cease the cheating at any given moment and since I started seeing this woman, have not deviated. The cheating was never about not having enough with the person I was seeing or the lack of anything really. I did it just because I could. I do have a heart and know right from wrong but my trouble at this point is the damage I have seemingly caused myself in not being able to trust others.

PUNKEY
 
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Reply Thu 20 Jul, 2017 12:28 pm
@VW1977,
"I did it just because I could'

Really?

Did the girls throw themselves at you?
Did you like the challenge of the chase?
Did you not know any better? (you had bad role models for marriage and sanctity of vows. That's what you were taught how men acted towards women)
Are you impulsive in any other area of your life? (spending, gambling, eating, drinking, risk taking?)

Now you have met "the one" who makes it all unnecessary.

Still SHE does not trust you, so she has sent you to get help before she commits to an UN-comitter. Smart woman. She wants you to be a better person. And protecting herself from being one of your repeaters.

You are bored with the past life as a cheater and want to stop this behavior - or at least find out why you do it. Get that counseling (older male, lest you try to seduce a woman counselor)

Good luck!

PS Are you Italian, BTW?
VW1977
 
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Reply Thu 20 Jul, 2017 02:41 pm
@PUNKEY,
Did the girls throw themselves at you?
- No

Did you like the challenge of the chase?
- Not necessarily

Did you not know any better?
- As previously mentioned I certainly know right from wrong.

Are you impulsive in any other area of your life? (spending, gambling, eating, drinking, risk taking?)
- None of the above actually. I try to be a fiscally responsible individual, have never been attracted to casinos or gambling outside of a friendly card game at home with family or friends. In 2017 I have consumed alcohol on maybe five occasions (give or take) at family/friend functions. These are not recent changes but how I have always been. I used to drink more often but as I grow older it is just not as appealing. To be clear, alcohol never played a role in anything as I've mainly been an occasional social drinker.

Now you have met "the one" who makes it all unnecessary.
I met someone who I have taken a liking to and do not want to lose her. I am not afraid of losing her because I may step out. I know that I will not do that. I am afraid of losing her as a result of pushing her away. This is the reason I opened up to her. So that she can understand what I am struggling with. I am not struggling with needing a fix (going out and cheating). I am struggling with giving trust.

Still SHE does not trust you, so she has sent you to get help before she commits to an UN-comitter. Smart woman. She wants you to be a better person. And protecting herself from being one of your repeaters.
- I wholeheartedly agree with everything you have stated here. I have told her a couple of times that I would never date myself.

You are bored with the past life as a cheater and want to stop this behavior - or at least find out why you do it. Get that counseling (older male, lest you try to seduce a woman counselor)
- I disagree with your assessment that I am "bored". It has taken a long time to realize my wrongdoings and I am looking to correct for myself and anyone who may be around me or in my future. Hopefully I did not paint a picture of myself as being a sex crazed monster but people draw conclusions from what they have before them. Maybe I could have used better wording to describe the situation or myself but to assume that I would attempt to seduce someone in a doctor-patient relationship is...that's just not me.

Good luck!
- Thank you very much...

PS Are you Italian, BTW?
- An answer here would just serve for people to further judge and perhaps try to provide reasons for my actions. No comment...
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ossobucotemp
 
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Reply Thu 20 Jul, 2017 03:09 pm
@PUNKEY,
Ok, tell us all about Italians re your understanding. I'll await your description.
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PUNKEY
 
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Reply Thu 20 Jul, 2017 10:07 pm
There are "codes" that men of certain cultural heritages believe. They deal with marriage and commitment.

An Italian friend's son left his wife and 4 children. He never gave a reason and just seemed to not want to be married. . He enjoys bedding a lot of women now that he is single.

The entire family was upset. They see this as a violation of the "family tradition." The father said that "You never leave the mother of your children. Have your things on the side, but you remain married. We don't divorce."

The OP saw this kind of attitude as a youth and witnessed the daliances of married men outside of marriage. Now he doesn't trust himself . Perhaps old tapes from the past prevent him from trusting himself to commit to one woman.

I was just curious.
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