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How to heal the hurt of teeth extraction faster?

 
 
ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 3 Jul, 2017 09:20 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
Do we know how much of this opioid problem weve seemingly created is due to "pusher Physicians"?



your conclusion seems reasonable to me - as part of my work over the past 30 years, I've had the chance to review medical bills from several countries for treatment of similar/same injuries. There's a noticeable difference in treatment practice.
farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jul, 2017 05:13 am
@ehBeth,
The HHS evidence made me question the entire "painkiller" industry only after I was reading some stats on drug overdoses and after I underwent my own kidney surgery.( I was kinda amazed at how everybody on care staff was pushing oxy drugs)
HHS stats say that we have about 500 K people addicted to heroin in the US but another 2+ Million addicted to synthetic opiods. ALl the opioids are first gotten by prescription, then, as the drug dependency is manifest, I assume its gotten by "connections"

Now with the addition of fentanil, which is reportedly 100 times more potent than heroin and synthetic "oxy" opioids we have about 8K people dying from heroin od's and almost 20K people dying from synthetic opioid ods.

The obvious connection of drug dependency to care physicians screams out for answers to how do all these people get introduced to these drug to the extent that weve got more people drugged out on pain killers for no other purpose than to get high.
Ive got several friends who are physician specialists and in ER medicine. They have very little actul training in their annul CEU requirements that deal in pharmacology.
As one of my friends (an internal med guy) says
"Most of us get a lot of our training from the drug salesmen" The docs will be sponsored to a days "seminar" on new drugs from comapny A or B, and will give out several CEU's because thats the way the state med ed board has had it worked out by the pharmas.

My internal med friend two years ago took time off and went to Johns Hopkins for an intensive seminar on synthetic opioid pharmacology. He has since made major changes in his hospital duties wrt dispensing such drugs.
His POV is that depending on ones own body chemistry, dependency is really damned difficult to predict and limiting use of opioids by the hospital is more responsible "dispensury".
Oxy, as a gateway drug seems to be more prevelwnt in dental procedures than almost anything else (according to him I had no way to check any stats on that).

I guess the good news is that we no longer have the equally big problem of bikers strung out on crystql meth and shooting up a bar.

ehBeth
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jul, 2017 09:20 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
As one of my friends (an internal med guy) says
"Most of us get a lot of our training from the drug salesmen" The docs will be sponsored to a days "seminar" on new drugs from comapny A or B, and will give out several CEU's because thats the way the state med ed board has had it worked out by the pharmas.


this is a truly jurisdictional phenomenon
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jul, 2017 03:55 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

Quote:
now you're complaining of doctors and PA's accosting you
I love your feeble attempts at camo. I know that you know the various meanings of Accost dont you?? Ill therefore try not to think youre a fool.
So try not to remove any more doubts


You crack me up. Here and in the JW thread you responded in a snarky manner to comments I posted that were not directed to you, and that's fine by me, but when I've responded in kind ,you've gotten all pissy and gone on about being touchy. Don't dish it out if you can't take it.
farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jul, 2017 04:37 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
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Here and in the JW thread you responded in a snarky manner to comments I posted
Not sure what I saie i n response to you in the JW thread, but perhaps you didnt know that people who dont always agree with you can respond.
ALSO, you didnt even post a complete sentence herein. So how did I know you considered it a "thought". My first response to you was when you said "OPIOIDS", (I thought , because of your past history at bein a smartass, that your one word jaculation was just another attempt to become a standup.

On the contrary, Im not trying to sound anyway insulting to you. I thought my first comment about your shout-out of" opioid " as a one word recommendation was quite sensical. In case you lost the thought within my comment, Im not a big fan of overprescription of these drugs. You have seemed to want to turn it into some kind of punch-out.
You havent convinced me that your brief opinion has any merit. "Studies show" is easy pickins. Lengthening a healing time by an unspecified time length versus risking drug dependency is an easy choice for me.I said my opinion was based upon personal experience, maybe my pain threshold and tolerance is at another level than the people who opt for chemical cocktails .
As far as the rest of your opinions about me, Ill just have to lose sleep and cry into my pillow . Ive realized long ago that you and I see the world from totally opposite poles.

ps

Thisll be my last post with you on this subject so if you wanna keep calling me names or commenting on my nascent Alzheimers in lieu of actual discussing the topic, youll just have to keep playing with yourself

Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jul, 2017 05:02 pm
@farmerman,
Look, I don't care what you think of me and I fully expect you don't care what I think about you.

I also don't care if you respond to every one of my posts in a snarky and insulting manner. I will respond in kind.

(By the way "I know you're just trying to be a clown so Ill just let it pass..." is not likely to be perceived by anyone as an innocent and jocular comment, and by most as the first punch)

What irritates me is this "I'm just a poor boy..." **** you always try to peddle. Maybe this is really the way you see yourself and you're incapable of perceiving how the things you say to people can be taken as offensive. I've met people like that so you wouldn't be the first. In any case it's immaterial. Being irritated is not something I enjoy so I'll just govern my response to your accordingly. In the meantime, kettle feel free to call the pot black.
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Glennn
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jul, 2017 05:57 pm
Here's what happened. In response to another's question concerning pain management, Finn suggested opioids. For no good reason, Farmerman accused Finn of trying to be a clown. Rather than respond to the insult, Finn acknowledges the potential for opioid abuse, but maintains that, for short term management of moderate to severe pain, they are excellent.

But there was no stopping Farmerman. He then pushes his attack against Finn by calling physicians drug pushers, as if Finn is somehow responsible for unethical physicians. And then he goes into the story of how after his own surgery, he declined painkillers, and instead, opted for just two Tylenol the first day, and nothing after that, leaving poor Sarararah (Roseanne Roseannadanna's cousin) with the impression that if she wants the respect of Farmerman, she should just man-up and make do with two Tylenols no matter what, and even then, only if one doesn't do the job.

He then pulls back and admits that his opinion is based on a small database, but that show of humility is short-lived, as his next words: "like your assessment of JW's" makes clear that his attack on Finn was not over.

No doubt Sarararah has followed the conversation between Farmerman and Finn and is thinking that if that's what Tylenol does to someone, she'll take her chances with the opioids.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jul, 2017 06:03 pm
Damn, farmerman. You are pure evil. Twisted Evil wtf happened to the nice guy on a boat, dispensing blessings like the Pope on a population like a field of blooming sunflowers on the brightest of sunny days? You are Sammy Jackson in Pulp Fiction.
farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jul, 2017 06:52 pm
@edgarblythe,
Aint I a little ****?But Im tryin to change Ringo.

Oh well, Its almost time for blueberry pie .No fireworks tonite, we had a major T storm and now we can, thankfully leave the sheep and the cattle out in the pastures . For some reason they will stand out in a thunderstorm and look up and get wet, FIREWORKS? whole nother story. The sheep start running all over at the first sky bursts and dont stop until the finales. e unfortunately live within 5 miles of a county pqrk here they hold the fireworks.
However, it only delays the inevitable.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jul, 2017 06:54 pm
@farmerman,
Geez, it happens every year. You would think the sheep would learn.
farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jul, 2017 06:58 pm
@maxdancona,
Uhhh. many of our sheep dont go through 4 semesters study in the field to be able to learn about an "annual" event, (Im trying to be more gentle about dispensing disturbing information as this)
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farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jul, 2017 07:15 pm
@Glennn,
I have to respond to you, because You are guilty of "Selective reading". I imagine thats why you have bought into the 911 "truther" crap. You totally miscast my second post to Finn as an "attack" Thats bullshit on your part. I never attacked Finn in my second post He started on me after my second post.

And in my first post, as Ive already explained, Finn posted but one word. He did not know to whom he was even giving his "sage" word.

Even the one word "Plastics" in the movie "the Graduate" had a set-up line before the single word of advice was given.

I have you on ignore but I have 4 people on ignore (you and JTT for being bat-**** crazies) and (Layman and Ionus just because they get so damned annoying from posting junk and misunderstanding it. They are both, however, not bat **** crazy I must make it clear. That position is reserved for you and JTT (or whatever name it uses lately)



Glennn
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jul, 2017 07:27 pm
@farmerman,
Nope. I'm sure of it. You accused him of trying to be a clown when you knew he was serious about opioids. Go see for yourself.
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