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Another attack in London

 
 
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Mon 19 Jun, 2017 04:30 pm
@revelette1,
revelette1 wrote:

Perhaps there is a tic for tac thing going on? If so, that would be very tragic in itself and need to be addressed. I am sorry for the people of London and their many tragedies they have had to suffer of late, too much.


Well, I think it's pretty safe to assume that, unless this fellow is a true psychotic with a very tenuous grip on reality; who somehow made a connection between Muslims and the common paranoid schizophrenic delusion of a perceived effort to seize control of his mind, this attack was some sort of response to Islamist terrorist incidents in the UK. Obviously still very early in the investigation but the fact that multiple additional arrests haven't been made suggests this guy was a lone wolf and not part of an organized operation.

Of course, that his rampage was in response to Islamist attacks doesn't signify that he is fine mental health. As has been reported, he will be undergoing a mental health examination so it seems there will, at some point, be a determination of his mental condition. This alone distinguishes this attack from the sort of Islamist terrorist attacks the UK and the rest of the world has, tragically, experienced far too often of late: The attackers very rarely survive the attack and so mental health examinations are rarely a factor in any investigation.

What's striking is the degree to which his heinous endeavor failed. I read somewhere that the only man who is reported to have died was receiving first aid at the time of the attack, and therefore his subsequent death may not have been directly related to the rampage. No solace, I'm sure, for his loved ones if he succumbed to a heart attack rather than being struck by a van, but I would have expected the number of fatalities to be higher. Greatly fortunate that they were not, but was it a matter of luck or is it just more difficult to pull off a "successful" attack like this than we might imagine? It's difficult to believe anyone really needs or receives training on how to mow down pedestrians with a vehicle, but perhaps "instruction" actually is provided at the Islamist websites we often learn were frequented by the people responsible for the attacks

If this fellow is, as I suspect, a lone wolf, it's not likely that the authorities will be any more effective in preventing similar future attacks, than they've been in preventing lone wolf Islamist attacks. Even with extensive databases of suspected terrorists and hundreds being actively investigated, the pool of potential killers is depressingly large and the police resources too limited to make unfailing prevention (by the criminal justice and intelligence agencies alone) ever possible. The UK and other nations could double their resources over night and it would still be an impossible task. Other measures are required, but what precisely they may be is something all governments are struggling with.

izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jun, 2017 12:57 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
In Britain we try to focus on what our communities have in common. We don't want any of your hate speech that tries to divide people.

You gave us George Bush and Islamist terrorism. I think you've done enough damage.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jun, 2017 01:14 am
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The family of a man arrested after a terror attack near a London mosque say they are "shocked" and "devastated".
Father-of-four Darren Osborne, 47, was held on suspicion of attempted murder and alleged terror offences after a van hit Muslims in Finsbury Park.
They had been helping a man who had collapsed. He later died but it is not clear if it was because of the attack.
Met Police chief Cressida Dick and faith leaders were among hundreds who took part in a vigil on Monday night.
Ms Dick said the incident was "quite clearly an attack on Muslims", and the community would now see more police, including armed officers, in the area, "particularly around religious establishments".
Mr Osborne's mother, sister and nephew said in a statement: "We are massively in shock, it's unbelievable. It still hasn't really sunk in."
They added that their "hearts go out to those who've been injured".
Police have carried out searches at an address in the Cardiff area.
Security Minister Ben Wallace said the suspect was not known to the security services, and was believed to have acted alone.
The BBC understands Mr Osborne grew up in Weston-super-Mare, Somerset, and has lived at more than one property in Cardiff. He is also believed to have lived in Swindon.
The Metropolitan Police said he was being held on suspicion of the commission, preparation or instigation of terrorism including murder and attempted murder.
The attack took place shortly after midnight close to Muslim Welfare House on Seven Sisters Road, which is also a community centre.
Police say 11 other people were injured - including nine taken to hospital and two treated at the scene.
Several of the injured are believed to be seriously hurt.
On Monday night, faith leaders addressed a crowd at a vigil outside the nearby Finsbury Park Mosque.
After a short silence, chairman of the mosque Mohammed Kozbar told those gathered that the attack was "on our families, on our freedom, on our dignity".
He said the man who died was a father of six children.
The Bishop of Stepney, Rt Rev Adrian Newman, said "an attack on one faith is an attack on us all".
It is the fourth terror attack in the UK in three months, after incidents in Westminster, Manchester and on London Bridge.
Prime Minister Theresa May said the attack was "every bit as sickening" as the others.
"It was an attack that once again targeted the ordinary and the innocent going about their daily lives - this time British Muslims as they left a mosque having broken their fast and prayed together at this sacred time of year," she said.
After speaking outside Downing Street, the prime minister visited Finsbury Park Mosque, where she held talks with faith leaders.
Labour leader and Islington North MP Jeremy Corbyn also visited the area, telling the BBC that "an attack on a mosque, an attack on a synagogue, an attack on a church is actually an attack on all of us".
Locals say this is a proudly multicultural area, where the biggest rivalry is whether you support Arsenal or their north London rivals, Tottenham.
Now the mood here is one of shock, as residents stand by the police cordon seeing the aftermath of yet another attack in London.
Mother-of-four Nicola Senior, 43, is walking back from taking her children to school when she stops to take in the scene.
She said: "I'm frightened. Is there going to be retaliation?
"I am fearful for my kids. Can we go to the park? Can we go to the church? It feels like this is happening all the time."
The driver of the van was detained by bystanders before police arrived.
People at the scene said he had told them he wanted to kill Muslims.
The imam of Muslim Welfare House said a passing police van was flagged down.
Mohammed Mahmoud told reporters: "We told them the situation - there's a man, he's restrained, he mowed down a group of people with his van and there is a mob attempting to hurt him and if you don't take him then, God forbid, he might be seriously hurt.
"We pushed people away from him until he was safely taken by police."
Toufik Kacimi, chief executive of Muslim Welfare House, said the suspect had told those holding him "you deserve it" and was also saying "I did my bit".
This incident risks playing right into the hands of those planning further attacks on vulnerable citizens in the UK.
Online followers of the so-called Islamic State have been quick to seize on the Finsbury Park attack as proof of what they see as widespread hostility towards Muslims who live in the West. Inevitably, it will be used by recruiters and propagandists to incite further attacks - extremism breeds extremism.
The one thing that far right anti-Muslim extremists and violent jihadists have in common is the belief that peaceful coexistence between Muslim and non-Muslim is impossible.
The unified prayers and solidarity across communities that followed recent terror attacks are anathema to them. Extremists of both types want instead to divide society and will keep trying to bring this about by criminal acts of provocation such as this.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40332616
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chirchri
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jun, 2017 01:18 am
It was awful!
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Lash
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jun, 2017 09:44 am
@izzythepush,
You earned your own slice of Islamist terrorism. Who carved up those countries in the first place?

izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jun, 2017 09:50 am
@Lash,
Reagan funded Al Qaida in Afghanistan, and Bush lead the illegal invasion of Iraq. That's what caused the growth of Islamist terrorism, not the carve up of the Ottoman Empire post WW1.

You really have an aversion to the truth because you've spent your whole existence suckling the teat of fascist propaganda.

Lash
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jun, 2017 10:04 am
@izzythepush,
Yes, after your country ran rough-shod over the Middle East as world empire, and doled cultures out for slavery, we leap-frogged over you and followed suit.

I can admit my country's complicity in terrorism. Why can't you?

Your inability is a weakness.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jun, 2017 10:36 am
@Lash,
You've not admitted anything, you're one of the most duplicitous people on A2K. You can't even admit to being a Trump supporter.

You have a very limited grasp of history, which is why you said such stupid things about a particular Nazi propaganda poster, and you fill the gaps in your knowledge with complete fantasy. Nobody outside America gives a monkey's about comedians showing a decapitated Trump, not only that, most people are unaware of it.

To reiterate, we're where we are now because of fascist/Republican America's unthinking hatred of communism. That's what caused Reagan to fund Al Qaida. If he'd actually paid any attention to the British experience in Afghanistan he would have left well alone. Actually if Americans had paid any attention to the legacy of empire you wouldn't have had your arses handed to you on a plate by the Viet Minh.

Can you try to show a bit of respect for the innocent Londoners killed by taking your hate speech elsewhere.
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saab
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jun, 2017 11:28 am
Could we in the future, should more terror happen, please concentrate on the people who lost their lifes, the wounded and their family and friends.

I think it is rather inappropriate to bring up who is to blame for what happened years ago here.
Let it be a place to express our sorrow.

Discussions and fights about this and that should be done in another discussion. Join forums about politics, religion and EU.
Fake news should be avoided.

Let us have dignity here.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jun, 2017 12:33 pm
@saab,
Thank you. Here's one of the more positive stories surrounding the attack.

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The imam credited with saving the life of a man who drove his van into a crowd of people in north London has said: "All life is sacred."

Imam Mohammed Mahmoud told Sky News how he had just finished prayers when a "panicked" worshipper ran in to say what was happening outside.

"We arrived on the scene within minutes after the accident, we found the assailant on the floor being restrained by around three people," he said.

"The injured and deceased brothers were being attended to and CPR was being administered on them.

"We found that a group of people quickly tried to collect around him and some tried to hit him, either kicks or punches.

"By God's grace we managed to surround him and protect him from any harm. We stopped all forms of attack and abuse towards him that were coming from every angle."

Imam Mohammed said he was with others trying to stave off violence against the perpetrator and he told police arriving on the scene that a "mob" was attempting to hurt him.

"If you don't take him, God forbid, he might be seriously hurt," he told officers.


http://news.sky.com/story/imam-protected-finsbury-park-suspect-as-angry-crowd-restrained-him-10920079
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centrox
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jun, 2017 01:13 pm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-40347813

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Finsbury Park attack: Son of hire boss held over Facebook post

A man has been arrested on suspicion of posting an offensive Facebook post about the London Finsbury Park attack.

Police said a 37-year-old, believed to be the son of an owner of the Rhondda Cynon Taff company whose van was used in Monday's attack, is in custody.

Richard Evans allegedly posted: "It's a shame they don't hire out steam rollers or tanks could have done a tidy job then."
His father, Lee Evans, said he condemned the remarks.

South Wales Police said a 37-year-old man was being held on suspicion of displaying threatening, abusive, insulting written material with intent that is likely to stir up racial hatred.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 21 Jun, 2017 01:14 am
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A man has been Tasered by police after reports people were being attacked at a London mosque just before 01:30 BST.
Officers said they acted after finding a man waving an "item" around near the London Central Mosque in Regent's Park.
There were no reports of any injuries and the suspect is being held at a central London police station on suspicion of affray.
The force said it was not treating the incident as terrorism-related and said the item being waved was a shoehorn.
"Officers are keeping an open mind regarding any motivation for the incident", the force said in a statement.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40351178
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