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Are the commas necessary?

 
 
Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2016 11:09 am
First, regarding the slogan, “Doing our best to spread XYZ religion”, the key words are “Doing our best.”

The writer has inserted the commas as highlighted. I think they are not necessary. Am I right?

Thanks.
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dalehileman
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2016 01:08 pm
@tanguatlay,
Contrary Tang to my usu assertion, I'd use 'em, they seem commonplace. Over here however we might "...ion,"...

Con, help
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2016 02:14 pm
@tanguatlay,
The standard is to include them. In that regard, the writer needs a comma after "are."
PUNKEY
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2016 02:32 pm
First, regarding the slogan, “Doing our best to spread XYZ religion”, the key words are “Doing our best.”

Is this a series? First, Second, etc.?

If so, keep the first ,.

If not, you could drop it.

BTW - The punctuation belongs INSIDE the " quote marks . . . . religion,"

Yes, a comma after are is needed.
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2016 02:42 pm
@PUNKEY,
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BTW - The punctuation belongs INSIDE the " quote marks . . . . religion,"

Tangutlay is following British conventions.
contrex
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2016 02:45 pm
The only comma I would keep is the one after "religion".
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dalehileman
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2016 02:53 pm
@InfraBlue,
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... to include them.
Thanks Infra; so I'm not losing it after all
...much

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... comma after "are."
Yea Blue, mebbe
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contrex
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2016 03:40 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
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BTW - The punctuation belongs INSIDE the " quote marks . . . . religion,"
Tangutlay is following British conventions.

I once got in a lot of trouble (with one member only) about this. The British practice regarding placement of punctuation inside or outside quotation marks is often called, by people interested in such things, "logical placement", and the US practice of always placing them inside, "conventional placement".

I mentioned this, making it clear it was specialist terminology and not a value judgement (mine or anybody else's). Despite this, the other member got irate and said I was accusing (all) Americans of being "illogical", that "we" hadn't fought King George in order to be told what to write by pantywaist Limey faggots, who hadn't got an empire anymore, whose asses got saved in World War 2, etc, etc. Nothing I could write would satisfy this person. (Now there's a surprise!)

Anyhow, I believe the American conventional rule was mainly enforced and perpetuated by typesetters. I have been interested to read recently that a "punctuation paradigm shift" is occurring. In copy-editor-free zones—the Web and emails, student papers, business memos, with increasing frequency, commas and periods find themselves on the outside of quotation marks, looking in.

Not only these, but also Language, the journal of the Linguistic Society of America, for instance, has adopted the British way. * The first item under "Punctuation" in its Style Sheet says:
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The second member of a pair of quotation marks should precede any other adjacent mark of punctuation, unless the other mark is part of the quoted matter: The word means `cart', not `horse'.

Also the logical style is used in Wikipedia.
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tanguatlay
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2016 10:08 pm
Thanks, everybody.
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