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Could an Alien learn english from books?

 
 
farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 16 Jul, 2016 01:08 pm
@farmerman,
PS Id start with something other than Ormimum Langi.
fresco
 
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Reply Sat 16 Jul, 2016 01:17 pm
@saab,
Only seven ?.....after all that Viking pillaging ! Smile
saab
 
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Reply Sat 16 Jul, 2016 01:22 pm
@farmerman,
I picked something which I took for granted you would not know
Here is a translation from Faeroe language.
They love long songs and this has 87 verses.
The Long Serpent
1. Would you hear my ballad?
Would you believe the words
about Olaf Tryggvason?
The poem shall turn here.

Refrain: Dance resounds in the hall;
dance in a ring!
Gladly ride Norway's men
to Hildr's Thing. 1

2. The king has a vessel built
there on level sand;
The Long Serpent was the largest
built in the land of Norway.

3. A ship was built in the land of Norway;
it was good in ability.
Eighteen and fourty ells
there were between the keel and stern. 2
saab
 
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Reply Sat 16 Jul, 2016 01:24 pm
@fresco,
I said at least ten.....but there are hundreds of words that do come from old Norse. You grammer is very close ot the Scandinavian
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 16 Jul, 2016 01:50 pm
@fresco,
Viking is an activity, or an epithet for those who carried on in that manner--pirates, or freebooters. The enduring legacy of Scandinavian invasion was the Danish invasion of 866, although it was not completed until 1013, when the Danes took over all of England. They didn't keep it for long, though.

Danish has mostly survived in place names, and, rarely, in given names. The Romans built an administrative center in the north of what is now called England, and called it Eboracum. The Saxons called it Eoforwic, which the Danes corrupted into Jorvik (pronounced yor-vic) and that has become York. Most of the Danish placenames are in the north and the midlands. The suffix -by, for example, means a farmstead, as in Grimsby. A village would grow around the farmstead of an influential Dane, and soon you'd have a town with a name ending in -by. The name usually consisted of Dane's name and the suffix, as in Grimsby. Other suffixes which are common in that part of England are -thorp, -twaite, -wick and so forth.

This echoes what happened when the Saxons came. The suffix -worth or -worthy means a fortified manor house, and -tun or -ton (and later -town) means a fortified settlement. So, Glastonbury "the fortress at the fortified settlement of Glas"--when Glas was the original settler, and the settlement was fortified, and later a burh or burgh (prounounced the same) was built on the orders of the king of Wessex. The extreme example of silly place names is Torpenhow Hill, which means hill, hill, hill Hill. Tor is Brythonic for hill, Penn is Goidelic for hill and how is a corruption of a Norse word for hill.

Language is fun, speculating on what mythical aliens might do is boring.
fresco
 
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Reply Sat 16 Jul, 2016 02:37 pm
@Setanta,
I'll bear that in mind next time I drive to Barnoldswick via Ramsbottom and Oswaldtwistle !
AugustineBrother
 
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Reply Sat 16 Jul, 2016 04:37 pm
@Sirisse,
If he didn't learn about what English is about then he could not learn the English used to describe what Wngl a
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farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 16 Jul, 2016 05:35 pm
@saab,
Well, I merely googled the translation bot
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Real Music
 
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Reply Sat 16 Jul, 2016 07:55 pm
@Linkat,
Quote:
If there were some picture books it would be helpful.

And since we were able to learn an alien language (took some time to figure out what this book was about), I suspect they could do the same.

http://www.metatech.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/to-serve-man-cookbook.jpg


Wow! I actually remember seeing that Twilight Zone episode in reruns.
saab
 
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Reply Sun 17 Jul, 2016 12:32 am
@fresco,
while you look out the window, dreaming about dancing in Grimsby or you might prefer York.
The Viking time was between 800 and to around 1050.
This time the they founded many towns mostly for trading. For economical development iron was important.
There were Swedish colonies and Viking colonies many places, which one can see from the graves.Ireland, Scotland have several, on the continent few to none.
Swedish graves you can find in Russia, Volga and the Orient.
Around year 1000 the Viking art is very much influenced by England.
fresco
 
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Reply Sun 17 Jul, 2016 12:38 am
@saab,
Right ! I'll do that whilst wearing my horned Viking helmet (with plaits) purchased recently in Stockholm !
saab
 
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Reply Sun 17 Jul, 2016 12:48 am
@fresco,
Very Happy
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farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 17 Jul, 2016 06:59 am
@Real Music,
Patterns in written language all have special properties as well.

Like
1 a list of ingredients following numbers
2any lit actually. You go back to the text and see the same references and coint the number of letters in qwords and look at their repeatability.


Ogum was pretty much deciphered that way (qs a numerical expansion)

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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Mon 18 Jul, 2016 10:28 pm
@Sirisse,
Yes...of course
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selectmytutor
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jul, 2016 03:24 am
@Sirisse,
Yes, if the Alien knows how to read the books. Wink
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GPsara159
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jul, 2016 07:29 pm
@Sirisse,
I would have to say yes, it would probably be much like hieroglyphics and the rosetta stone, it would take a while but they would get there.
roger
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jul, 2016 07:36 pm
@GPsara159,
If only they had a Rosetta stone
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rubbywilliams
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jul, 2016 12:12 am
If he know how to read & how to spell than he can definitely learn from books.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jul, 2016 02:15 pm
@rosborne979,
Your line of questioning is similar to mine.

The first thing I question is the assumption that aliens would have vision.

cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jul, 2016 02:50 pm
@ehBeth,
What kind of senses do you think aliens will have?
 

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