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Religious vs Secular Laws

 
 
TheCobbler
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jul, 2016 11:48 am
@maxdancona,
"We the people"

This does not say, we the "white" people!

Racism is against secularism.

"In order to form a more perfect union."

Does that sound like racism to you? Really? A union is a commune.

"Promote the general welfare"

A union is a unity of people who collectively care for the welfare of each other.

"insure domestic tranquility"

Racial unity is domestic peace.

"Establish justice."

How can there be justice without equality?

"Secure liberty."

How can you be who you are if your status in society is dictated by only the color of your skin and not by your own character?

How can we be proud of a racist, sexist, homophobic, earth trashing country?

"to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America".
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jul, 2016 11:52 am
@TheCobbler,
Here's a good report on the race and ethnicity in the United States.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_ethnicity_in_the_United_States
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jul, 2016 11:52 am
@TheCobbler,
Do we really have to go over the First Amendment with you?

My sixth grader understands that free speech means that people have the right to be racist.

This is basic civics, Cobbler. In a secular democracy, you can't tell people what they can or can't believe.



maxdancona
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jul, 2016 11:57 am
@maxdancona,
It is humorously ironic that TheCobbler's idea of "secular" is for her to force her opinions on everyone else.
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TheCobbler
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jul, 2016 12:22 pm
@maxdancona,
Racists have a "right" to hate and let that hate destroy the tranquility of our country. They can let that hate burn and fester like a wart on a pigs ass till they go shoot up a church and get snuffed out by the police...

Yes people have a right to be racist and scream, "Go back to your own ******* country!" to a group of tourists. "Speak English assholes!"

Is it really right?

Is it obeying the US constitution, that "insures domestic tranquility and justice"?

Racism is liberty taken to a hateful excess. Liberty used, "as an occasion for the flesh" is racism.

Racism does not reflect the intent of the US Constitution, it does not reflect the collective whole of "we the people" nor does racism belong in secular law!

The US Constitution is a legal document that makes racism a crime.

For law and order cannot exist where we the people are discriminated against.

In order to form a more perfect Union.... let's kill all the Jewish, Blacks, Mexicans, Asians, gays, lesbians... and anyone who is not white.

That is not what my Constitution says...

Racists have a propensity to end up dead en masse at the end of a musket barrel on the battlefield of this country. I hope you remind your son of what some damned Yankees did to them there "racists"...

Secular law = Racism is wrong
maxdancona
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jul, 2016 12:42 pm
@TheCobbler,
Racism is part of secular law.

When the Constitution was written, slavery was legal. In fact, slavery is written into the Constitution with the three-fifths compromise. You can go read about it... it is Article 1, Section 2 Paragraph 3 of the US Constitution. Go look it up yourself. While this was being negotiated, the discussion was not about moral values... it was about property rights (the slaves being seen as having economic value). This is about as secular an argument as one can possibly imagine.

Soon after that Asians were excluded, by secular law, from becoming citizens. The Asian Exclusion act lasted until 1965.

Interestingly enough... the strongest abolitionists were deeply religious and the arguments that led to the end of slavery were religious (not all... but many).

And of course, Dr. Martin Luther King.... who was a Baptist Minister who spoke openly about wanting "To do God's will" was at the forefront of the fight against racism.

TheCobbler
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jul, 2016 12:53 pm
@maxdancona,
Where did the idea that a slave was property come from?

A slave is property and a corporation (property) is a person. $ound$ backward$ to me.

I recall the Bible saying slaves were owned by their masters but I know of no secular law that states that same.

Secular laws come out of rational societies not societies based upon greed, racism, irrational deities and inexplicable religious traditions.

We are better than everyone else, well, because God says it is so. (cynical)
maxdancona
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jul, 2016 01:04 pm
@TheCobbler,
You can't blame slavery on the Jewish culture where the Bible came from. Slavery was around long before the Jewish culture came about. Are you still claiming that Hammurabi was a secular law... because slavery is in the law of Hammurabi.

Are you really saying that greed is not secular?
TheCobbler
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jul, 2016 01:08 pm
http://image.slidesharecdn.com/prejudiceanddiscrimination-141111075753-conversion-gate01/95/prejudice-and-discrimination-3-638.jpg?cb=1415693796
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TheCobbler
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jul, 2016 01:10 pm
@maxdancona,
Yes slavery was around and the Bible would have been a good place for "religious" culture to evolve, yet it simply continued business as usual.

Greed requires a lack of humanity, something that religion and their pious quite easily facilitates.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jul, 2016 01:11 pm
@TheCobbler,
Quote:
Greed requires a lack of humanity


Quite the contrary. Where there is no humanity, there is no greed.
TheCobbler
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jul, 2016 01:13 pm
@maxdancona,
Humanity can exist without greed when reasonable regulations are applied and respected..
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TheCobbler
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jul, 2016 01:18 pm
@maxdancona,
We see religions fighting to the death over whose God is the top dog.

It seems only logical to divorce religion entirely from law.

Then we separate the wheat from the tares and the nourishment from the toxic.

It makes one wonder if laws were always woven into the religious or if the religious somehow usurped the laws in order to gain power over them.
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jul, 2016 01:22 pm
@TheCobbler,
Quote:
We see religions fighting to the death over whose God is the top dog.

Not again!

'We' see no such thing. Where do you see it?
maxdancona
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jul, 2016 01:32 pm
@Leadfoot,
Cobbler is setting up a religion (I think you understand this Leadfoot).

In her religion there is no racism and no greed. These are ideals that she thinks are good, but they are religious ideals nonetheless because there is no real reason behind them. Then she is shutting down all competing religions (which is not suprising, many religions declare themselves to be the absolute truth so that all of other belief systems are wrong, The Cobbler's religion is no different).

Cobbler is not really arguing against Religious laws... she is arguing in favor of the one set of religious laws that she agrees with. The fact that she calls her religious laws "secular" is amusing..

but it doesn't change the fact that her ideas are religious ideas.
TheCobbler
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jul, 2016 10:07 pm
@maxdancona,
The cobbler's religion is zero

a silent purple sunset between the pines on a sullen sea.
TheCobbler
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jul, 2016 11:08 pm
Theodore says, many legs are better than zero.
rex
roger
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jul, 2016 11:13 pm
@TheCobbler,
That's so cryptic it just has to be the word of god.
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TheCobbler
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jul, 2016 11:28 pm
red law
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TheCobbler
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jul, 2016 11:31 pm
red legs
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