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Venerable vs. terrible

 
 
Tes yeux noirs
 
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Reply Tue 29 Dec, 2015 04:51 pm
@oristarA,
Quote:
I wonder whether the meaning will remain the same if I put in "the" there:

human well-being entirely depends on the events in the world and on the states of the human brain.

If not, why?


(Despite what McTag says): No, and the reason is that 'the events' means (definitely) all of the events and 'the states' means (definitely) all of the states, (you see why it's called the definite article) whereas in the original the lack of the definite article ('the') means we are talking about some events and some states. An important difference.

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oristarA
 
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Reply Thu 31 Dec, 2015 03:14 am
Thank you both.

I wonder why not just use "wars" instead of "the fighting of wars"?

The author went on:
Quote:
Both sides believe that reason is powerless to answer the most
important questions in human life. And how a person perceives the gulf between facts and values seems to influence his views on almost every issue of social importance! from the fighting of wars to the education of children.
FBM
 
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Reply Thu 31 Dec, 2015 03:19 am
@oristarA,
It would be faulty parallelism. The form has to match "the education of children." Of course, the author could have written more concisely and made it "from war to education." The choice is just a stylistic one.
oristarA
 
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Reply Thu 31 Dec, 2015 03:34 am
@FBM,
FBM wrote:

It would be faulty parallelism. The form has to match "the education of children." Of course, the author could have written more concisely and made it "from war to education." The choice is just a stylistic one.


Informative.
Thanks.
FBM
 
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Reply Thu 31 Dec, 2015 03:46 am
@oristarA,
No prob. http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb192/DinahFyre/tiphat_1.gif
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oristarA
 
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Reply Thu 31 Dec, 2015 10:07 am


The author went on:

Quote:
Secular liberals, on the other hand, tend to imagine that no objective answers to moral questions exist. While John Stuart Mill might conform to our cultural ideal of goodness better than Osama bin Laden does, most secularists suspect that Mill's ideas about right and wrong reach no closer to the Truth. Multiculturalism, moral relativism, political correctness, tolerance even of intolerance-these are the familiar consequences of separating facts and values on the left.


The above context may be insufficient. But if it is sufficient, what does "separating facts and values on the left" mean? What is "the left"? What is "the right"? The left is John Stuart Mill? The right is Osama bin Laden?
FBM
 
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Reply Thu 31 Dec, 2015 10:18 am
@oristarA,
The Left is progressive and liberal, the Right is conservative. (The origin of the terms lies in 18th-century France) The Left is identified with secularism, whereas the Right is identified with religious extremism, such as that of Osama bin Laden.
oristarA
 
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Reply Thu 31 Dec, 2015 10:23 am
@FBM,
FBM wrote:

The Left is progressive and liberal, the Right is conservative. (The origin of the terms lies in 18th-century France) The Left is identified with secularism, whereas the Right is identified with religious extremism, such as that of Osama bin Laden.


Excellent.
But I still don't get "separating facts and values on the left" well. It seems to mean "putting facts and values on the left." The word "separate", however, can not mean "put."
FBM
 
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Reply Thu 31 Dec, 2015 10:28 am
@oristarA,
The Right doesn't tend to separate facts from values. Their (usually religious) values/faith/beliefs are their facts. The Left tends to separate them, meaning that they embrace a more objective, scientific worldview that the Right opposes.
oristarA
 
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Reply Thu 31 Dec, 2015 10:34 am
@FBM,
FBM wrote:

The Right doesn't tend to separate facts from values. Their (usually religious) values/faith/beliefs are their facts. The Left tends to separate them, meaning that they embrace a more objective, scientific worldview that the Right opposes.


Got it clearer.
So "these are the familiar consequences of separating facts and values on the left" means "these are the familiar consequences of separating facts and values, the consequences that are based on the left's worldview"?
oristarA
 
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Reply Thu 31 Dec, 2015 10:38 am
@oristarA,
Does "are left supine" mean "are left inactive and dumb" in the following context?

The author went on:
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It should concern us that these two orientations are not equally empowering. Increasingly, secular democracies are left supine before the unreasoning zeal of old-time religion. The juxtaposition of conservative dogmatism and liberal doubt accounts for the decade that has been lost in the United States to a ban on federal funding for embryonic stem-cell research; it explains the years of political distraction we have suffered, and will continue to suffer, over issues like abortion and gay marriage; it lies at the bottom of current efforts to pass antiblasphemy laws at the United Nations (which would make it illegal for the citizens of member states to criticize religion); it has hobbled the West in its generational war against radical Islam; and it may yet refashion the societies of Europe
into a new Caliphate.
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FBM
 
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Reply Thu 31 Dec, 2015 10:40 am
@oristarA,
Quote:
Multiculturalism, moral relativism, political correctness, tolerance even of intolerance-these are the familiar consequences of separating facts and values on the left.


Yes, when one begins to separate facts from values, such things as multiculturalism, moral relativism, etc, logically appear.
oristarA
 
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Reply Thu 31 Dec, 2015 11:14 am
@FBM,
FBM wrote:

Quote:
Multiculturalism, moral relativism, political correctness, tolerance even of intolerance-these are the familiar consequences of separating facts and values on the left.


Yes, when one begins to separate facts from values, such things as multiculturalism, moral relativism, etc, logically appear.


Does "on" in "on the left" mean "on the position of" or "based on"?
McTag
 
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Reply Thu 31 Dec, 2015 04:45 pm
@oristarA,

position.
FBM
 
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Reply Thu 31 Dec, 2015 09:12 pm
I agree with McTag.
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oristarA
 
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Reply Thu 31 Dec, 2015 09:20 pm
@McTag,
McTag wrote:


position.


Thanks.
But the word position cannot be used as a preposition.
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oristarA
 
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Reply Fri 1 Jan, 2016 09:18 am
The author went on:

Quote:
The scientific community is predominantly secular and liberal-and the concessions that scientists have made to religious dogmatism have been breathtaking. As we will see, the problem reaches as high as the National Academies of Science and the National Institutes of Health. Even the journal Nature, the most influential scientific publication on earth, has been unable to reliably police the boundary between reasoned discourse and pious fiction. I recently reviewed every appearance of the term "religion"in the journal going back ten years and found that Nature's editors have generally accepted Stephen J. Gould's doomed notion of "nonoverlapping magisteria"- the idea
that science and religion, properly construed, cannot be in conflict because they constitute different domains of expertise.


Does "doomed notion" mean "notion that is doomed to die"?
FBM
 
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Reply Fri 1 Jan, 2016 09:45 am
@oristarA,
Yes, "doomed" usually means that something has/had little or no chance of success, or that something was eventually proven wrong.
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oristarA
 
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Reply Fri 1 Jan, 2016 10:59 am
Thanks

The author went on:

Quote:
The scientific community's reluctance to take a stand on moral issues has come at a price. It has made science appear divorced, in principle, from the most important questions of human life. From the point of view of popular culture, science often seems like little more than a hatchery for technology. While most educated people will concede
that the scientific method has delivered centuries of fresh embarrassment to religion on matters of fact, it is now an article of almost unquestioned certainty, both inside and outside scientific circles, that science has nothing to say about what constitutes a good life. Religious thinkers in all faiths, and on both ends of the political spectrum, are united on precisely this point; the defense one most often hears for belief in God is not that there
is compelling evidence for His existence, but that faith in Him is the only reliable source of meaning and moral guidance. Mutually incompatible religious traditions now take refuge behind the same non sequitur.


Does "an article" mean "a term" here?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 1 Jan, 2016 01:04 pm
@oristarA,
The simple fact that many find comfort in their religion is reason enough for their existence.
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