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What is our aim ?

 
 
FBM
 
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Reply Mon 7 Dec, 2015 04:33 am
@manden,
manden wrote:

The answer is simple :
If there is the real creator of the universe (more of him is not recognizable)
than there is the hope for a true(eternal) life for the mankind .
I have recognized at the universe that the real creator of the universe really
exists , so we have the hope for the true life .


Your evidence being?

Quote:
There are other little things which show that this life is not senseless .
Would an unimaginable superior creator create something senseless ?
That is with our best what we have from him - reason , logic and moral -
unimaginable .


And this is begging the question/circular reasoning. You have yet to establish your claim that this creator exists anywhere outside your imagination.
manden
 
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Reply Mon 7 Dec, 2015 04:44 am
@FBM,
YOU MUST RECOGNIZE IT YOURSELF !
The facts are there ! I can do it , but I cannot do it for you !
FBM
 
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Reply Mon 7 Dec, 2015 04:49 am
@manden,
Quote:
YOU MUST RECOGNIZE IT YOURSELF !
The facts are there ! I can do it , but I cannot do it for you !


LET'S BOTH POST IN ALL CAPS AND USE LOTS OF EXCLAMATION POINTS!!! THAT MEANS WE'RE BOTH RIGHT!!! Very Happy

Cough up some evidence, please. Yelling vacuous platitudes does nothing. Well, nothing that advances your goal, anyway. A lot that has the opposite effect, though.

manden
 
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Reply Mon 7 Dec, 2015 05:44 am
@FBM,
Look in " HOW IS IT POSSIBLE TO RECOGNIZE AT THE UNIVERSE THAT THE REAL CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE REALLY EXISTS? "
There is a little more information .
But you must recognize it yourself . If you can't I can not help .
FBM
 
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Reply Mon 7 Dec, 2015 06:05 am
@manden,
I'm not chasing all over the internet for wingnut titles posted IN ALL CAPS!!!! If you have something, bring it here, please.
manden
 
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Reply Mon 7 Dec, 2015 06:52 am
@FBM,
I will write the first (most important) part :
Men ca create NOTHING with their logic (all has a cause) and power ,
only make something out of already existing .
THAT shows , that the universe ONLY can have been created by an
unimaginable logic and power .
Who can grasp that , knows , that the real creator of the universe really exists !
think rethink
 
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Reply Mon 7 Dec, 2015 08:31 am
@manden,
Can someone explain please, why the reasoning above, is not defective?

Purpose, reason, and company, are all a by-product of the limitations to human affluent existence.

If you are a supreme, ultra capable being, you cannot possess the above, just like you cannot construct a useful bridge, if there is no need for one.

Reason, is the art of connecting separate things (dilemma and resolution), through having the combination resolving our challenges.

Giving account of your debits to your financial advisor, and explaining that debit to the airline, that it was required in order to get you to the overseas business meeting,

Is only valid, if you don't own the airline.

To the designer and boss of the universe, all these by products like reason and meaning, are not available,

If he paid for that air ticket, it was money in the garbage,

Same if he rapped, murdered, and tortured trillions of humans over the ages.

That was a waste, unexplainable by human excuses.

If I was to design a vhicle, that will intensly tempt drivers to drive reckless and crash,

Would I avoid punishment in court for the numerous resulting accidents, by explaining the drivers had a tiny spec if free will?

We live in a box, painting everything outside the box, with the same attributes that are applicable to the box area exclusively.

This involves, disrespecting location based realities, and applying them in a climate and habitat, they do not belong to.

On your next trip to Baijing, please use your gps with only us maps.

In the pet shop,
Please select some stunning fish, but instead of placing them in the aquarium, please sit them on the little table next to your sofa, and expect them to live a long productive life up there, just like a rabbit would.



manden
 
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Reply Mon 7 Dec, 2015 09:21 am
@think rethink,
You must stay to the point !
And one or two short , clear and logic statements or questions .
All other leads to nothing .
FBM
 
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Reply Mon 7 Dec, 2015 07:07 pm
@manden,
manden wrote:

I will write the first (most important) part :
Men ca create NOTHING with their logic (all has a cause) and power ,
only make something out of already existing .
THAT shows , that the universe ONLY can have been created by an
unimaginable logic and power .
Who can grasp that , knows , that the real creator of the universe really exists !


You have done nothing to prove that "all has a cause." You just keep declaring it over and over again. If "all has a cause," then what caused your creator?
FBM
 
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Reply Mon 7 Dec, 2015 07:09 pm
@think rethink,
think rethink wrote:

Can someone explain please, why the reasoning above, is not defective?
...


I seriously doubt it. Wink
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manden
 
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Reply Tue 8 Dec, 2015 01:21 am
@FBM,
all has a cause - describes what logic means .
Men can create NOTHING - is fact ! Think about it .
FBM
 
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Reply Tue 8 Dec, 2015 02:32 am
@manden,
manden wrote:

all has a cause ...


You just keep repeating the same thing over and over and over again. How about actually supporting your claim for once? Think about it.
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manden
 
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Reply Tue 8 Dec, 2015 05:53 am
What is the aim of the life of the mankind ?
FBM
 
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Reply Tue 8 Dec, 2015 06:08 am
@manden,
How does non sequitur translate into your native language? We're still waiting for you to provide some evidence for your creator. And what created it, since everthing has to have been created, according to your "logic."
manden
 
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Reply Tue 8 Dec, 2015 08:17 am
@FBM,
Sorry , you are not able to grasp it . You must work at yourself .
FBM
 
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Reply Tue 8 Dec, 2015 08:27 am
@manden,
OK, so you have nothing to support your claims. Fail. Best of luck in your future.
manden
 
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Reply Tue 8 Dec, 2015 08:31 am
@FBM,
For you , too . And don't forget to try to improve - I showed you the direction .
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Nova Flare Q
 
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Reply Tue 8 Dec, 2015 08:31 am
If one were to read the original post, one would grasp that this not another one of those creation/evolution arguments. The focus is what it says on the tin, and it should stay that way instead of being diverted into something that it is not.

I'm looking at you, FBM.
FBM
 
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Reply Tue 8 Dec, 2015 06:03 pm
@Nova Flare Q,
The OP felt it sufficient to engage me, however.
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think rethink
 
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Reply Wed 9 Dec, 2015 09:33 pm
@manden,
manden wrote:

Quote:
You must stay to the point !

And one or two short , clear and logic statements or questions .
All other leads to nothing .
 

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