This is especially pertinent since some polls indicate that a majority of Christians do support the President and the war in Iraq, and good Christians always have to consider whether or not God would approve of what we do.
. The scriptures are explicit that Jesus understood what he was in for and it is possible he thought the disciples might need to defend themselves in any chaos that would follow. Putting the passage in context, it is difficult to make a case that the sword was intended to initiate violence.
It appears you have admitted that, in this case, he may advised people to be ready to fight violence with violence.
Quote:The short answer of course is that Jesus didn't advocate Christians attacking non Christians as all were non Christians prior to his death.
Hmm...that is your opinion.
Some might say that the 12 disciples, for example, were Christians prior to his death.
When I bring up instances where it appears he did advocate using violence, you change the debate point to:
"he didn't advocate intiating violence"
"he didn't advocate attacking"
You are changing the debate question as the thread progresses. The thread question just says "violence," it doesn't specify "initiating" or "attacking."
When someone advises someone to go buy weapons to defend themselves, I see this as condoning violence to protect oneself. That fits into the original thread question of "ever advocate violence."
When I bring up this point, you change the question to "initiate violence," or "attack." You're not addressing the passage I bring up in relation to the original thread question. You are simply changing the thread question.
"Did Jesus ever advocate violence against non-Christians?"
"...he said unto them, sell your cloaks and buy swords."
How complicated is that?
Not that matters: Don't get me wrong: I don't particularly like it when one country invades & occupies another country. Regardless of religion, etc. I believe we on earth our wasting our time separating ourselves into different countries and different religions. I believe we should be a one world nation and focus on doing things like feeding the starving, instead of wasting money & lives on war. I realize that is a dream which may not become reality in this millenium. But we are not discussing that, right? We are discussing whether Jesus ever advocated violence.
The original post by nimh includes a passage "please find me one instance where Jesus advocated violence against people of other religions or ANYBODY and I'll never bring up the subject again..."
I would seriously like to know the answer to whether Jesus ever advocated violence. And in that scripture, it appeared that he did. I almost wish I hadn't found that passage. This troubles me a bit. Seems to contradict "Turn the other cheek."