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Does the NYT's Reflect America

 
 
Reply Sun 18 Oct, 2015 07:02 pm
Todays paper was particularly crap, almost all emotionalism, mostly trite, with very little intellectual probing at all. What used to be human interest filler has sucked up the paper. Front page above the fold and something like 20,000 words devoted to some random dead guy who was so uninteresting that he inspired very little interest while he was alive??!! Are you ******* kidding me? This is what passes for news these days?

We are fucked.
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Reply Sun 18 Oct, 2015 09:07 pm
@hawkeye10,
Too perfect...Style page 2 National Edition has an essay, tentatively making the hopeful observation that men are crying more, following from the unexamined assertion that if men are not crying they MUST be an emotional wreck.

****, if men start to cry more often we will need to set the Kleenex out on every table.
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Reply Tue 27 Oct, 2015 03:15 am
A really good take down of just one major NYT's piece

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The conventional wisdom is not complicated. Jeb is out of step with the primary electorate on immigration. He has struggled in multiple interviews and two debates. He is identified with a political establishment that voters mistrust due to huge failures: foreign policy that made a mess of the Middle East, a catastrophic financial crisis, and stagnant middle-class wages.

This is basic stuff. The Bush family surely understands it.

And I find it hard to believe that neither the Bush camp nor The New York Times journalists reporting on it are aware that the family’s “role in American history” and mistrust of Jeb are also inseparable from a certain other Bush, whose unsuccessful presidency alienated Democrats, independents, and many Tea Partiers.

Why is George W. Bush scarcely mentioned in this article?

Jeb’s struggles were always predictable, and they make sense even as they unfold. But an article that relies on establishment insiders for all its quotes and adheres to a style that doesn’t allow its authors to inject skepticism is going to fail to adequately explain an election in which establishment failures are driving voter behavior. This is especially so when the figures being quoted are sophisticated political operators who have every reason to speak strategically rather than candidly.

Look at this passage:

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In July, even after breaking a vertebra in a fall that left him hospitalized in Maine, the elder Mr. Bush was fuming at the news of the day: Mr. Trump had belittled Sen. John McCain of Arizona for being taken prisoner in Vietnam.

“I can’t understand how somebody could say that and still be taken seriously,” said Mr. Bush, himself a naval aviator in World War II, according to his longtime spokesman, Jim McGrath, who had visited him
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This doesn’t merely ask us to treat a politician father’s statement about his politician son’s campaign as earnest, not strategic––it also asks us to believe that a longtime PR flack faithfully represented that father’s words to a New York Times reporter during a primary race; and that even though Bush 41 saw Bush 43’s campaign trash McCain in South Carolina––and saw Swift Boat Veterans for Truth four years later––he just can’t fathom how unfair attacks on a Vietnam vet aren’t disqualifying.

The writing is so smooth and official-sounding that one almost fails to notice all those asks.

But, come on.

What the “neutral” or “objective” style of newspaper writing ultimately obscures is that there’s no such thing as what Jay Rosen of NYU calls “the view from nowhere.”

To end up with “Bush at 91: Irritated and Invigorated by ’16 Race” required lots of contestable news judgments. Implicit are the notions that the Bush family somehow established a valid original script for the Republican Party’s nominating contest; that Jeb’s campaign struggles are so hard to understand that they baffle and confound a former president and his circle of sophisticated politicos; that readers should accept their claims that they just don’t understand all this ugliness and populism in politics, never mind that they’ve worked with Lee Atwater and Karl Rove; that George W. Bush’s effect on the family’s legacy and Jeb’s campaign is best left unexplored; and that insiders rather than outsiders are best positioned to offer insights into the subject of the article.


This is how the elite goes bad, too often all they hear and see is echo champber bullshit that they themselves created. The have no relationship with reality.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 1 Nov, 2015 03:50 pm
@hawkeye10,
Today the public editor justifies the piece on the grounds of popularity and the claim that we need to have a conversation about people who die alone. "The resulting story illuminated, it touched many people, and it made a difference. That is what the best journalism does."

The "made a difference" assertion is not supported and is highly unlikely,

"touched many people" simply means popular in an emotional fashion which does not make journalism good, and anyone who knows anything about journalism knows, in fact it is more likely to be an indicator of bad journalism.

"illuminated" the life and death of one nobody, the value of which is iffy anywhere, and certainly does not merit front page above the fold and 8,000 words. (Ya, I was wildly off guessing 20,000, but this piece was super long for the modern NYT's)

A good deal of todays piece was spent defending the paper against the charge of invasion of privacy. I would have rather seen this piece defended as a piece of journalism, rather than starting with the assumption that it must have been good because it was popular.

One gets the sense that the New York Times is straining for relevance in an age where so many people care little for the facts. On the other hand one reason newspapers have died so fast is that they have given up on practicing journalism, watching NYT's follow this trend in such a major way cant bode well for the future. We have lately seen the Boston Globe and Washington Post getting sold for peanuts, another sign that there is now no there there.
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