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Why don't they have a program to identify facial features in the web getting underage porn off?

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oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 26 Nov, 2014 02:22 am
@peter jeffrey cobb,
peter jeffrey cobb wrote:
If you have a bank account that can verify your identity. Than you would be able to access a site. If you don't than just go to a establishment that can verify your identity to purchase the adult material. Decreasing the access to prohibited material should be a priority.

How do you plan to prevent porn from being offered outside this system you are proposing?

It seems to me that, even if you managed to set up this system, there would still be lots of people who would insist on providing and accessing porn outside the confines of that system.


peter jeffrey cobb wrote:
The less people that view prohibited material. The fewer percentage will end up developing fantasies. And crimes that can come from it should drop.

I am unsure that these steps would actually happen.

However, regarding your original thought about facial recognition software scanning the web... If such technology were to one day become advanced enough, that might allow law enforcement to discover and catch those who provide child porn.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 26 Nov, 2014 02:50 am
@oralloy,
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However, regarding your original thought about facial recognition software scanning the web... If such technology were to one day become advanced enough, that might allow law enforcement to discover and catch those who provide child porn.
It is said to be not far off. Great the state and those trying to empty our pockets will have a new way to keep tabs on us by marrying up this system with our camera system. The are getting a good camera system together, the so called red light cameras are exploding in my town.
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Germlat
 
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Reply Wed 26 Nov, 2014 03:14 am
@peter jeffrey cobb,
There will always be a loophole where pedophiles will be able to enjoy child abuse sites...yep...stop using the words child pornography...it is CHILD ABUSE sites.
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Wed 26 Nov, 2014 05:56 am
@peter jeffrey cobb,
I distinctly remember having access to pornography when I was underage before the Internet existed. I did not have to prove my identity... I just turned the pages.
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Wed 26 Nov, 2014 05:59 am
@peter jeffrey cobb,
peter jeffrey cobb wrote:

Most services must hit a local router first. Maybe a program can be installed on those? Sure it will be nearly impossible to build a perfect safeguard. But surely we can improve the current system.


That is why we developed software such as Tor which hides what we are viewing even from the router. Privacy is a basic right.
peter jeffrey cobb
 
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Reply Wed 26 Nov, 2014 07:47 am
@maxdancona,
I understand.
Filters separating adult material already exist. All we have to do is go a step further, showing identification to access it.
Just having to think about "they know who I am" should reduce searches for illegal material. That should reduce criminal activity.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Wed 26 Nov, 2014 08:02 am
@peter jeffrey cobb,
Are we talking about legal material? Or are we talking about illegal material?

Pornography is legal, I have every right to view it. And I have every right to privacy when I view it.
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 26 Nov, 2014 11:20 am
@peter jeffrey cobb,
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Filters separating adult material already exist.


An they do not work even for children in schools with such filtering as the kids take it as a challenge to get around such filtering.
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peter jeffrey cobb
 
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Reply Wed 26 Nov, 2014 11:55 am
@maxdancona,
In most places it is illegal to provide access of adult material to minors.
This would enforce these ordinances.
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 26 Nov, 2014 12:51 pm
@peter jeffrey cobb,
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In most places it is illegal to provide access of adult material to minors.
This would enforce these ordinances.


An such efforts have no history of working in the past nor are they likely to work in the future.

Passing laws are not magic, they need to be of a nature that can be enforce or the politicians are just playing to the crowd such as the current English prime minister is doing.

Even young children now know how to download Tor or used free VPNs and free p2p software for that matter.

oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 26 Nov, 2014 01:02 pm
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:
Are we talking about legal material? Or are we talking about illegal material?

I believe he is talking about a system for distributing legal material, in the belief that said system will then make it much harder for people to distribute illegal material.

I am skeptical though. I suspect that even if this way to distribute legally were set up, people would still prefer to access legal pornography completely anonymously.

I give him credit though for being creative and trying to come up with a new solution to a currently unsolvable problem (ending child pornography). A lot of new ideas never pan out, but now and then someone comes up with a new idea that changes the world, so there's nothing wrong with coming up with a new idea and throwing it out there to see what people think of it.
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peter jeffrey cobb
 
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Reply Wed 26 Nov, 2014 01:21 pm
@BillRM,
Do you think if someone filed a legal case, against providers of such materials, stating that they are not doing enough to follow local ordinances. Such as providing access of adult material to minors. I mean they have the capability to attempt to verify identity and are not doing so.
And won the case.. would that speed up the legal process of establishing new guidelines?
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 26 Nov, 2014 01:43 pm
@peter jeffrey cobb,
Once more it is the world repeat the world wide web so unless you can get every nation of earth to agree with enforcing such laws it is meaningless.

A site owner in Japan does not care about the laws in the US and the reverse is true also.

Next most porn on the web does not come from paid websites but by p2p networks and torrents.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 26 Nov, 2014 01:47 pm
@BillRM,
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Next most porn on the web does not come from paid websites but by p2p networks and torrents.


I dont think so, there are a ton of commercial porn sites (most owned by a single company) , and a lot of porn on sites like Tumblr. Most kiddie porn is not on commercial sites, but as I mentioned before I am now seeing it on Tumblr.
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 26 Nov, 2014 02:00 pm
@hawkeye10,
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I dont think so, there are a ton of commercial porn sites


I do have a credit cards and could buy adult porn from paid websites but I just used a p2p networks to picked up my legal porn and I can not see why teenagers would not do similar.

As I said if you could somehow block every paid for porn website on earth for underage teenagers there is a world of free porn out there.
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peter jeffrey cobb
 
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Reply Wed 26 Nov, 2014 02:18 pm
@BillRM,
Would it be possible to file a legal suit, on behalf of the Nations that carry ordinances against distribution of adult material to minors? If that case was won, would it than set new International guidelines?
Attempting to verify identification seems like a reasonable request.
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 26 Nov, 2014 02:48 pm
@peter jeffrey cobb,
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If that case was won, would it than set new International guidelines?


An what super court could dictate what the US can do on our own soil or imposed international guidelines on the US or any other country for that matter.
peter jeffrey cobb
 
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Reply Wed 26 Nov, 2014 04:26 pm
@BillRM,
Well, do it in a place where there is a representative from each Nation. That way all the Nations , that want the distribution of adult material to minors, can present their case. When an agreement is, between the Nations, is reached. Than International standards can be written.
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 26 Nov, 2014 04:29 pm
@peter jeffrey cobb,
Sorry it not going to happen as all it take is one nation who would not go along with the program and once more there are plenty of porn that have nothing to do with paid websites.
peter jeffrey cobb
 
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Reply Wed 26 Nov, 2014 04:40 pm
@BillRM,
Who is funding the illegal activities?
 

 
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