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The News leaves you pondering….

 
 
Reply Thu 31 Jul, 2014 12:34 pm
One of my major gripes about the com media is lack of background in the everyday news story. When we read this morning, "Pipe break at UCLA dumped 20M gallons," how can we help wondering how it could have persisted some 30 hours before finally being shut off

(In this particular instance of course a quick Googling might provide a ready answer. But that's not often the case with a typical bulletin)

Can you perhaps cite other examples of a news story arousing such obvious, vital questions
 
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Thu 31 Jul, 2014 12:38 pm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Elk_River_chemical_spill

2014 Elk River chemical spill
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2014 Elk River chemical spill 2014 Elk River chemical spill affected counties.png
Counties (pictured) in West Virginia affected by the 2014 Elk River chemical spill.
Date January 9, 2014
Location Freedom Industries
(Charleston facility)
1015 Barlow Drive
Charleston, West Virginia
United States
Coordinates 38°22′7.98″N 81°36′23.82″WCoordinates: 38°22′7.98″N 81°36′23.82″W
Cause Release of up to 7,500 US gallons (28,000 litres; 6,200 imperial gallons) of crude 4-methylcyclohexanemethanol into the Elk River
Participants Freedom Industries
West Virginia American Water
Outcome Up to 300,000 residents within nine counties in the Charleston, West Virginia metropolitan area were without access to potable water
Injuries 169+ affected
14 hospitalized

The Elk River chemical spill occurred on January 9, 2014 when crude 4-methylcyclohexanemethanol (MCHM) was released from a Freedom Industries facility into the Elk River, a tributary of the Kanawha River, in Charleston in the U.S. state of West Virginia.

The chemical spill occurred upstream from the principal West Virginia American Water intake and treatment and distribution center. Following the spill, up to 300,000 residents within nine counties in the Charleston, West Virginia metropolitan area were without access to potable water. The areas affected were portions of Boone, Clay, Jackson, Kanawha, Lincoln, Logan, Putnam, and Roane counties and the Culloden area of Cabell County.

Crude MCHM is a chemical foam used to wash coal and remove impurities that contribute to pollution during combustion. The "do-not-use" advisory for drinking water from West Virginia American Water's system began to be gradually lifted by West Virginia state officials on January 13 based upon "priority zones."

On Tuesday, January 14, the company revealed that the tank, which leaked about 7,500 gallons into the ground by the Elk River, had also contained a mixture of glycol ethers known as PPH, with a similar function as MCHM.

The chemical spill was the third chemical accident to occur in the Kanawha River Valley within the last five years. On June 12, 2014 another spill of containment water occurred at the same site.[1]
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Thu 31 Jul, 2014 12:42 pm
Coal ash polluting NC river was once Appalachian mountaintops

It's likely that some of the coal ash polluting North Carolina's Dan River following last month's spill from a waste pit at Duke Energy's power plant near Eden, N.C. was previously mountaintops in Appalachia.

Before its coal-fired units were shuttered in 2012, the Dan River plant was among Duke's operations known to have used coal from Appalachian mountaintop removal mines. Mountaintop removal is an extreme form of strip mining developed in the 1970s that uses explosives to blast off mountain peaks to reach coal seams, with the resulting waste typically dumped into valleys below.

The practice has destroyed more than 500 mountain ridges in Virginia, West Virginia, Kentucky, Tennessee and Ohio, and buried over 1,000 miles of streams. Studies have found that people living near mountaintop removal mine sites have a 42 percent greater risk of birth defects and are 50 percent more likely to die of cancer compared to other residents of Appalachia.

Matt Wasson, an ecologist with the North Carolina-based environmental group Appalachian Voices, says he hopes Duke's coal ash spill "provides an opportunity for people to think about the whole lifecycle of coal and its terrible impacts on people and the environment."

Duke Energy has been a major purchaser of mountaintop removal coal. The company reports that it gets most of its coal from Central Appalachia and calculates that about 25 percent of that comes from mountaintop removal operations. But Wasson says Duke is using a very limited definition of mountaintop removal, and that in fact about half of Central Appalachian coal comes from what most local residents would consider mountaintop removal operations. Excluding coal used for metallurgical purposes, about two-thirds of what's burned in Southeastern coal plants comes from mountaintop removal mines, according to Wasson.

Duke has said it wants to buy less mountaintop removal coal "when [it] can do so without paying a premium." It has also said it wants to reduce its dependency on Central Appalachian coal "as economics and plant reliability warrant."

However, the company and what is now its Progress Energy subsidiary lobbied against legislation introduced in the N.C. General Assembly in the 2009-10 session that would have prohibited the state's electric utilities from purchasing coal extracted through mountaintop removal.

Turning mountains into ashes

According Appalachian Voices' iLoveMountains.org database, Duke Energy's Dan River plant has connections to several mountaintop removal operations in Kentucky, Virginia, and West Virginia:

* The Clintwood Elkhorn II preparation plant in Pike County, Ky. This facility is owned by Clintwood Elkhorn Mining Co., which in turn is a division of TECO Coal, the mining branch of Tampa, Fla.-based TECO Energy. Clintwood Elkhorn operates mountaintop removal and underground mines in the area.

Kentucky's Pike County is a major center of mountaintop removal mining. One study found that it had more than twice the mining disturbance as any other county in Central Appalachia. Residents there have complained of mining-polluted well water running orange and black, burning their skin, and even catching fire.

Other Duke Energy plants in North Carolina that have used mountaintop removal coal from Clintwood Elkhorn II are the Allen Steam Station in Gaston County, the Belews Creek Power Station in Stokes County, and the Marshall Steam Station in Catawba County. The preparation plant has also supplied coal to power plants in Virginia, West Virginia, and Georgia, according to iLoveMountains.org.

* The Kellyview Loadout Facility in Wise County, Va. Operated by A&G Coal Corp., a unit of Roanoke, Va.-based Southern Coal Corp., Kellyview supplies coal from mountaintop removal mines.

A 2012 lawsuit by environmental groups accused A&G of polluting public waters near its Kelly Branch mine in Wise County. Last year a federal judge ruled that the company had violated the Clean Water Act by discharging the regulated pollutant selenium without a permit, but A&G has appealed. In the course of that lawsuit, the company was ordered to pay $4,000 to environmental groups for testing but dragged its feet until the judge stepped in, The Roanoke Times reported. Meanwhile, the company's owner, James Justice, is on Forbes' list of billionaires.

Other Duke Energy plants in North Carolina that have purchased coal from Kellyview are the Allen, Belews Creek and Marshall plants, as well as the Asheville Plant in Buncombe County, the Buck Steam Station in Rowan County (retired in 2013), and the Mayo and Roxboro plants in Person County.

* No. 9 Surface Mine in Mingo County, W.Va. This mountaintop removal mining operation was operated by White Flame Energy and owned by Alpha Natural Resources, one of the largest U.S. coal producers. It closed in 2012.

After Alpha bought scandal-plagued Massey Energy in 2011, the Rainforest Action Network ranked Alpha as the single largest mountaintop removal mining company in the country, responsible for a quarter of all coal production from mountaintop removal mines.

Other Duke Energy plants in North Carolina that have used coal from the No. 9 Surface Mine are the Allen, Belews Creek, Buck and Roxboro plants, as well as the Cape Fear Plant in Chatham County (retired in 2012), and the Lee Plant in Wayne County (retired in 2012). In addition, coal from this mountaintop removal mine was burned at the Tennessee Valley Authority's Kingston plant in eastern Tennessee, the site of a massive 2008 coal ash spill that polluted the Clinch and Emory rivers.

* The Glen Alum Plant in Mingo County, W.Va. This facility processes coal from both underground and mountaintop removal mines on the property. It's owned by West Virginia Coal Venture I and operated by KWV Operations. Those are both part of NextGen Coal, which in turn is owned by The Halle Companies, a land development firm based in Silver Spring, Md.

Other Duke Energy operations in North Carolina that have purchased coal from Glen Alum are Allen, Belews Creek, Buck and Roxboro plants. Glen Alum has also supplied coal to Dominion's Clover Power Station in Halifax County, Va.

* The Holden #25 Slurry Impoundment in Mingo County, W.Va. This in turn is linked to the Holden Surface Mine, a mountaintop removal operation.

Coal slurry is the chemical-laden waste left over after freshly mined coal is processed for market. Like coal ash waste, it is stored in massive, unlined, open-air pits held back by dams that sometimes fail. One such failure in Logan County, W.Va. in 1972, known as the Buffalo Creek Flood, released 130 million gallons of toxic coal slurry into downstream communities, killing 125 people, injuring more than 1,100 others, and leaving more than 4,000 people homeless.

The Holden #25 Slurry Impoundment holds processing waste from coal produced at the Holden Surface Mine, a mountaintop removal operation in nearby Logan County, W.Va. The impoundment and the mine are operated by Coal-Mac and controlled by St. Louis-based Arch Coal, which is the second-largest U.S. supplier of coal behind Peabody Energy of St. Louis. Arch Coal is a major owner of mountaintop removal mines with operations in Kentucky and Virginia as well as West Virginia.

Other Duke operations that have purchased coal connected to the Holden #25 Slurry Impoundment are the Allen, Belews Creek, Buck and Marshall plants.

Raising the bar for mountaintop removal

The grassroots movement to stop mountaintop removal has made some gains under the Obama administration, which Wasson says has "quietly raised the bar" for mining companies seeking permits from the Army Corps of Engineers. Consequently, there's only about half as much mountaintop removal mining taking place today as five years ago, he reports.

But as the administration has stepped up oversight, some federal lawmakers have tried to block its authority to act. For example, Congress is currently considering legislation introduced by Rep. Bill Johnson (R-Ohio) that would block the Office of Surface Mining from issuing a stricter rule to better protect streams from destructive mountaintop removal mining practices.

That effort is reminiscent of congressional attempts to block the Obama administration from issuing federal rules on coal ash, which is currently overseen by an uneven patchwork of state regulations. But those regulations have too often proven inadequate for protecting human and environmental health, as shown by the North Carolina spill and the hundreds of other coal ash damage cases that have been documented in 37 states.

Duke Energy was among the corporate interests that lobbied against federal coal ash regulation. After a legal battle led by environmental groups, the Environmental Protection Agency is scheduled to release its final coal ash rule in December.
Ragman
 
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Reply Thu 31 Jul, 2014 12:44 pm
@dalehileman,
Seriously...I couldn't do that because it's the majority of stories in which I could pick gaping holes.

Who, What, When, Why, Where and How - take your pick 'cause they'll only answer one of them.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Thu 31 Jul, 2014 12:47 pm
@dalehileman,
That is fully explained in the LA Times yesterday or maybe late Tuesday (I think it was there, didn't save the article and I read several. The very first articles had little info, but that one had a lot); it involved the workers getting to the site - massive traffic jam - and also having to determine which exact valve to both find and shut off, less they shut the wrong one or more off and shut down the water to the many nearby homes.

I suggest you look at google news not just for the articles that might be there on a subject, perhaps 3 or 4 headlines, but also at the words "see realtime coverage". That shows up at the bottom of those pipe break articles.

Also, it was more like 3 hours for them to manage to get to the valve, not thirty.
Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Thu 31 Jul, 2014 12:47 pm
My pet gripe is that news reports often don't say whether the council that's made a foulup somewhere is a Tory, Labour or Libdem council.
It'd be nice to know so that we voters can bear it in mind at the next elections.
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Ragman
 
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Reply Thu 31 Jul, 2014 12:48 pm
@ossobuco,
What Osso just said...err....wrote.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Thu 31 Jul, 2014 12:50 pm
@Ragman,
I just edited, he had the hours incorrect.
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dalehileman
 
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Reply Thu 31 Jul, 2014 12:57 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Bob thank you for those examples but how do they apply to the subject at hand
dalehileman
 
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Reply Thu 31 Jul, 2014 01:02 pm
@Ragman,
Quote:
it's the majority of stories in which I could pick gaping holes.
Rag I too find this to be exactly the case, feared only being accused of exaggeration. In the local Fourth Estate or on TV I run into one such, it seems, almost every day

Nor can I blame local media as the story they pick up from AP etc suffers like omission. Main problem I suppose is that the reporter himself is of course so familiar with its development he assumes his reader, your Average Clod (me), possesses much the same background

Edited to cite a typical example by Oss above

Quote:
and also having to determine which exact valve to both find and shut off, less they shut the wrong one or more off and shut down the water to the many nearby homes.
,….a perfect example where the reporter naturally assumes I had read that previous story

Fellas, what with minding the kids, scouring the pool, and nagging yardwork--or in my own case, sheer laziness-- we just don't keep up with each and every major event. You have to anticipate our puzzlement
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dalehileman
 
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Reply Thu 31 Jul, 2014 01:21 pm
@ossobuco,
Quote:
Also, it was more like 3 hours for them to manage to get to the valve, not thirty.
Some Google hits report 30 hours before they had reduced it to just a trickle
Ragman
 
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Reply Thu 31 Jul, 2014 01:23 pm
@dalehileman,
Here's what I just read:

"The nearly century-old pipe was still gushing 1,000 gallons a minute Wednesday afternoon, but it was shut off completely by 9 p.m., some 30 hours after it stopped flowing, Los Angeles Department of Water and Power spokesman Albert Rodriguez said. "
dalehileman
 
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Reply Thu 31 Jul, 2014 01:31 pm
@Ragman,
Thank you Rag for your support

Thirty hours does leaves one puzzled much moreso than just 3

Edited to remark by the sheerest coincidence, on the same page with the UCLA flooding, "Judge orders psyche exam for wildfire suspect," leading with "A girl suspected of starting the most destructive….wildfires….ordered Wednesday to be psychologically evaluated…."

Is it just me, or wouldn't you too have expected this story to reveal her age


Edited once again: By even a more remarkable coincidence, in the story directly above: "Boy, 3, dies after climbing into a hot car in Sylmar,"reporting that "…a 3-year-old boy has died…." Okay we got his age so I suppose we must assume he locked himself in. However, "…spokesman Bruce Borihanh…says the boy's death appears to be a traffic accident….."

Emphasis mine

Something crucial apparently being kept secret…..
ossobuco
 
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Reply Thu 31 Jul, 2014 01:52 pm
@dalehileman,
I read that they got to the valve at around 3 hours - but apparently water was still getting out, since I had last read. It did go down to about 1ooo gallons an hour from 75,000 (or 36,000, depending on what you read) gallons per minute. I haven't seen a curve on that timing. I did read that it slowed considerably (think that was by 6 pm Tuesday), but that was one report. And then was stopped, late Wednesday.

I won't argue further. I trust this will all show up in the wash with more specifics over some days.

That's my old school, and those were my old parking lots. Oh, and my old Sunset Blvd. This hurts.
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Ragman
 
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Reply Thu 31 Jul, 2014 02:13 pm
@dalehileman,
In these days of political correctness, maybe they purposely don't (or can't) say her age?
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roger
 
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Reply Thu 31 Jul, 2014 02:18 pm
Gee, some people get charged full value for leaks. I wonder how that will work out here.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Thu 31 Jul, 2014 02:28 pm
@roger,
Yeah..
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Thu 31 Jul, 2014 07:44 pm
@dalehileman,
They went on for days and weeks. How were they overlooked? I agree with you: how do these things go on for so long?
dalehileman
 
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Reply Sun 3 Aug, 2014 01:04 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Quote:
how do these things go on for so long?

Bob, good q. However my continuing thrust is to find further examples of the news story that leaves one hanging, any sort
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