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Does "these two" refer to "utilitarianism and Kantianism"?

 
 
Reply Sun 4 May, 2014 11:32 am

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Adam Smith's Theory of Moral Sentiments is apt to confuse, perhaps startle, the modern reader who approaches it with expectations formed by recent moral philosophy. Though profoundly different in many respects, the moral philosophies which have dominated the debate for the last fifty years, utilitarianism and Kantianism, have a common concern with an ultimate criterion for right action. Even the doctrine which in recent years has mounted the most serious challenge to these two, so-called virtue ethics, is devoted to establishing criteria for what constitutes the morally good character.
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void123
 
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Reply Sun 4 May, 2014 11:34 am
@oristarA,
seems so
oristarA
 
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Reply Sun 4 May, 2014 11:48 am
@void123,
void123 wrote:

seems so


Thanks.
Both are virtue ethics?
Plus, does Kantianism mean idealism?
void123
 
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Reply Sun 4 May, 2014 12:11 pm
@oristarA,
i think kant call his philosophy transcendental idealism
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void123
 
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Reply Sun 4 May, 2014 12:12 pm
@oristarA,
both are moral philosophes
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fresco
 
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Reply Sun 4 May, 2014 12:13 pm
@oristarA,
Neither is "virtue ethics".

Kant did not advocate traditional idealism (as contrasted with materialism) which assumes that all reality consists of mental phenomena. Kant assumes an external reality or "noumena" to which we have no direct access. We only have access to "phenomena" or mental events with no explanation of how they are linked to noumena.
oristarA
 
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Reply Sun 4 May, 2014 12:29 pm
@fresco,
fresco wrote:

Neither is "virtue ethics".



Grammatically also so?
fresco
 
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Reply Sun 4 May, 2014 12:38 pm
@oristarA,
The nature of ethics and idealism is a matter of semantics (meaning) not syntax (grammar). The separation of "virtue ethics" from the other two is conveyed by the phrase "....the most serious challenge to these two..."
oristarA
 
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Reply Sun 4 May, 2014 09:07 pm
@fresco,
fresco wrote:

The nature of ethics and idealism is a matter of semantics (meaning) not syntax (grammar). The separation of "virtue ethics" from the other two is conveyed by the phrase "....the most serious challenge to these two..."


Well thanks.
I am still now sure what does "these two" refer to in that context.
fresco
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Reply Sun 4 May, 2014 11:40 pm
@oristarA,
"These two" refers to "utilitarianism and Kantianism".
"Challenge" refers to the introduction of the third item "virtue ethics".


oristarA
 
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Reply Sun 4 May, 2014 11:55 pm
@fresco,
fresco wrote:

"These two" refers to "utilitarianism and Kantianism".
"Challenge" refers to the introduction of the third item "virtue ethics".



Thanks.
"so-called virtue ethics" should be referred to "the doctrine" in the context?
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