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European Union: a terrorist organisation?!

 
 
Reply Sat 29 Jun, 2013 11:42 am
The NSA's PRISM surveillance program only gathers info on terrorists.

And that's the reason, why it was used to get informations from EU-diplomats in the Delegation of the European Union to the United States and the European Union Delegation to the United Nations.

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(Reuters) - The United States bugged European Union offices and gained access to EU internal computer networks, according to secret documents cited in a German magazine on Saturday, the latest in a series of exposures of alleged U.S. spy programs.

Der Spiegel cited from a September 2010 "top secret" document of the U.S. National Security Agency (NSA) which it said fugitive former NSA contractor Edward Snowden had taken with him and which the weekly's journalists had seen in part.

The document outlines how the NSA bugged offices and spied on EU internal computer networks in Washington and at the United Nations, not only listening to conversations and phone calls but also gaining access to documents and emails.

The document explicitly called the EU a "target".

A slew of Snowden's disclosures in foreign media about U.S. surveillance programs have ignited a political furor in the United States and abroad over the balance between privacy rights and national security.

According to Der Spiegel, the NSA also targeted telecommunications at the Justus Lipsius building in Brussels, home to the European Council that groups EU national governments, by calling a remote maintenance unit.

Without citing sources, the magazine reported that more than five years ago security officers at the EU had noticed and traced several missed calls to NSA offices within the NATO compound in Brussels.

Each EU member state has rooms in Justus Lipsius with phone and Internet connections, which ministers can use.
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Original Spiegel report (in German)
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Lordyaswas
 
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Reply Sat 29 Jun, 2013 03:19 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
This is outrageous, and I'm sort of surprised that no-one has replied.

Maybe it was started a little early (time difference EU v USA) and nobody from across the pond was up and around when you started this, Walter.

I'll therefore give it a fully deserved....

BUMP!

Lordyaswas
 
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Reply Sat 29 Jun, 2013 03:34 pm
@Lordyaswas,
Thinking about it, this whistleblower could end up being one of the biggest modern day heroes to come out of the USA.

All power to him. Good lad.
contrex
 
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Reply Sun 30 Jun, 2013 03:13 am
@Lordyaswas,
Lordyaswas wrote:

Thinking about it, this whistleblower could end up being one of the biggest modern day heroes to come out of the USA.

All power to him. Good lad.


Absolutely.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 30 Jun, 2013 03:55 am
@contrex,
Attacks from America: NSA Spied on European Union Offices:
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America's NSA intelligence service allegedly targeted the European Union with its spying activities. According to SPIEGEL information, the US placed bugs in the EU representation in Washington and infiltrated its computer network. Cyber attacks were also perpetrated against Brussels in New York and Washington.
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The documents SPIEGEL has seen indicate that the EU representation to the United Nations was attacked in a manner similar to the way surveillance was conducted against its offices in Washington. An NSU document dated September 2010 explicitly names the Europeans as a "location target"

The documents also indicate the US intelligence service was responsible for an electronic eavesdropping operation in Brussels. A little over five years ago, EU security experts noticed several telephone calls that were apparently targeting the remote maintenance system in the Justus Lipsius Building, where the EU Council of Ministers and the European Council are located. The calls were made to numbers that were very similar to the one used for the remote administration of the building's telephone system.

Security officials managed to track the calls to NATO headquarters in the Brussels suburb of Evere. A precise analysis showed that the attacks on the telecommunications system had originated from a building complex separated from the rest of the NATO headquarters that is used by NSA experts.
[...]
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 30 Jun, 2013 06:52 am
The German justice minister said: "It is beyond any notion that our friends in the U.S. view the Europeans as enemies."

If all those media really are true, we Europeans are looked at by the Americans similar how they acted with their enemies during the time of the cold war.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Sun 30 Jun, 2013 07:01 am
I didn't reply since I didn't see this before.

It seems then that there aren't boundaries to this spying stuff. That the only boundary is inability to do it. No principles need be shown.

Or simply that Nosy Parkerism has won the day.

Or, are there foxes in the hen house?
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sun 30 Jun, 2013 07:09 am
It's about time we did something ab out those crypto-commies in Europe. We need some drone strikes to take out the leadership and anyone competing in the energy sector.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 30 Jun, 2013 07:16 am
The office of the Attorney General of Germany is investigating already, since it might be "relevant to state and national security".

Additionally, a couple of citizens already filed charges against persons unknown.
contrex
 
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Reply Sun 30 Jun, 2013 07:17 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

The German justice minister said: "It is beyond any notion that our friends in the U.S. view the Europeans as enemies."

If all those media really are true, we Europeans are looked at by the Americans similar how they acted with their enemies during the time of the cold war.


Is this a surprise? We've known in Britain for years that US government agencies routinely spy on our companies, university research departments, etc, and are not above using the information gained to enable US companies to get contracts, while the UK government routinely drones on about that "special relationship" bollocks.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 30 Jun, 2013 07:28 am
@Walter Hinteler,
It was just announced that the UK will explain tomorrow afternoon (via video, in the British embassy in Berlin) why and how they used their own "tempora-system" against Germany.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 30 Jun, 2013 07:53 am
@Walter Hinteler,
With 24 hours delay, CNN reports about it, too:
Europe furious, 'shocked' by report of U.S. spying
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European officials reacted with fury Sunday after a report that the U.S. National Security Agency spied on EU offices.
The European Union warned that if the report is accurate, it will have tremendous repercussions
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 30 Jun, 2013 01:00 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
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US intelligence services are spying on the European Union mission in New York and its embassy in Washington, according to the latest 'top secret' US National Security Agency documents leaked by whistleblower Edward Snowden.

One document lists 38 embassies and missions, describing them as "targets". It details an extraordinary range of spying methods used against each target, from bugs implanted in electronic communications gear to taps into cables to the collection of transmissions with specialised antennae.

Along with traditional ideological adversaries and sensitive Middle Eastern countries, the list of "targets" includes the EU missions and the French, Italian and Greek embassies, as well as a number of other American allies, including Japan, Mexico, South Korea, India and Turkey. The list in the September 2010 document does not mention the UK, Germany or other western European states.
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The US intelligence service codename for the bugging operation targeting the EU mission at the United Nations is 'Perdido'. Among the documents leaked by Snowden is a floor plan of the mission in mid-town Manhattan. The methods used against the mission include the collection of data transmitted by implants, or bugs, placed inside electronic devices, and another covert operation that appears to provide a copy of everything on a targeted computer's hard drive.
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The operation against the French mission to the UN had the covername 'Blackfoot' and the one against its embassy in Washington was 'Wabash'. The Italian embassy in Washington was known to the NSA as both 'Bruneau' and 'Hemlock'.

The eavesdropping of the Greek UN mission was known as 'Powell" and the operation against its embassy was referred to as 'Klondyke'.
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contrex
 
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Reply Sun 30 Jun, 2013 02:06 pm
Maybe I've read too many Len Deighton and John Le Carré novels, but I kind of had the impression that all nations routinely did this to each other, friends and enemies alike, and that it was in everyone's interest not to publicly acknowledge it - is this the applecart that Snowden has upset?

Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 30 Jun, 2013 02:23 pm
@contrex,
During the cold war (and before), it was more an "arts and craft movement". Wink
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 30 Jun, 2013 02:31 pm
In my opinion, with little to back it up, every nation gathers information on the other nations at every opportunity. Since the US has the most massive info gathering machine in history, it is to be expected, however reprehensible. In fact, if it had been that the USA did not do these things, I would have been surprised.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 1 Jul, 2013 01:41 am
@edgarblythe,
That might be true - or is true.

But now we got "evidence" that the USA is behaving worse than what they say China is doing.

Besides that, as a citizen of Germany and Europe, I want my government and the EU to protect me ...
It's a bit peculiar funny if such "must" be done by counter-intelligence against the best friend and ally.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 1 Jul, 2013 02:05 am
@Walter Hinteler,
I want to add that we Europeans seem to have a totally different opinion of (personal) data protection and privacy.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Mon 1 Jul, 2013 04:59 am
@Walter Hinteler,
I do not like or even grudgingly approve. In fact, I wish the American voters would put pressure to drastically scale down such organizations.
Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 1 Jul, 2013 05:01 am
@contrex,
I agree with this.
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