1
   

my girlfriend's best friend is a guy...PROBLEM

 
 
john219
 
Reply Wed 13 Mar, 2013 03:59 pm
Me and my girlfriend have been together about 8 months now. At first things went well, as they do, we had some great times together and had fun. But recently things have changed and turned a bit sour. There are quite a few different issues why this is but possibly the most significant one has been to do with her best friend who is a guy.

They have been friends for about 5 years and they have a long, intense friendship. They have done many things together and have even lived together until last year for almost 2 years. I only found out later on, that they did have some history together at one point where things got out of hand and they ended up being a bit too physically close (light petting) but nothing more. She has thought about the possibility of being together with him but nothing materialised and so they have never been together in the 5 years they've known each other. They have always just been very good, close friends.

I had never met this guy before and when I met my gf last summer she was still living with him in his flat. The first signs of trouble came when she put up a photo of me and her on a date early on. He didn't like it and told her to take it down. As time went on, he got more increasingly unhappy about the situation. To begin with, she didn't even let me come into the flat because she knew he would unhappy with it and things would be awkward. Eventually I started coming round and whenever I did, he would never come out of his room. He locked himself away like an immature child even though he's 29 because, I guess he was jealous and that unhappy with me dating his best friend. Now later on, I found out that he had talked to someone I vaguely know in an attempt to find out information about me. And what this friend had told him wasn't even true and then used that as ammunition to speak against me. He then wrote a letter to one of my gf's mutual friends saying how he is worried about her and basically saying I'm not a good guy etc.

This outraged me, I could not believe someone would do such a thing. When she confronted him about it, he said that he was only looking out for a friend! But I was hurt and this guy instead of deciding to speak to me face to face, continued to be an idiot and pretty much ignore me. Even after this happened I still wanted to be polite and civil to him and yet nothing happened. He refused to speak to me then and refuses to speak to me now. What also bothered me at the time, was the fact that my gf although did stand up for me never once demanded that he should apologize to me and that me and him should talk this through since he has a problem with me. It felt even back then like she was taking sides with him. Things then got worse and more tense between the two of them in the flat. He said that if she continued to be with me then she would have to move out and one time he turned up in her room at night as she was about to sleep, saying he loves her and that he wants to marry her etc. She freaked out and shouted at him etc. She eventually moved out to somewhere away from him with people she didn't know (and to this day it's the one positive thing she's done to alleviate this entire situation).

So I honestly believed that this would finally be a fresh start for her and us and that her contact with him would subside. But it hasn't. Over the last 3.5 months they have spent a lot of time together, meeting up one on one, going out for nights out, gigs, concerts (which is something they used to do anyway before), they TEXT EACH OTHER EVERY DAY, sometimes he would text her like 30-40 times a day! They text each other in the morning and then say goodnight to each other. She said that it's just what we're used to when we used to live with each other. Whenever I've been with her for an evening or the weekend, she'd be getting messages from him. I do know, having once read some of their messages, that she's not really saying loads whereas his text messages tend to be longer but still she is replying. Then there was one time when she was ill and she went round to his place to stay the night! Instead of coming to mine, she felt his place was her home and is a sentimental person etc. and has these attachments to places. I later found out they had slept in the same room, her in his bed and he was on the floor and I was outraged and so angry and she apologized and agreed it wouldn't happen again. But it did happen again when she went back to his place after going to some gig that he wanted to take her to as her bday present. She had told him to go and sleep in the lounge whilst she was going to sleep in his room in his bed. At first he did, but then as she was asleep, he sneaked back into his room and slept on the floor. What's more, I later found out that whilst in the room, whilst she was asleep, he read her text messages between me and her! And wasn't happy with what he found and a few days later confronted her about it saying you shouldn't be doing x and y since you're Christians etc. you shouldn't be going away together (we've been away together a few times). She was so upset by this as was I. He later apologized to her and things again went back to normal with them.

The point where I felt since he wasn't going to speak to me face to face, I would write to him instead. So I wrote a long email to him back in Jan. saying how I felt and what he was doing was disrespectful and inappropriate etc. I told him to just grow up and get over the fact that I'm with his best friend and if he's got a problem to speak to me. He never replied but I heard from my gf that he felt threatened by me. I wrote to him again more recently after the incident where she went back to his after the gig, this time telling him how hypocritical and disrespectful he's been but even then I was willing to offer a truce and said I'd like to get to know him and resolve things. I still had no response from him. And I heard through a mutual friend that although he admits there is an issue he doesn't want to speak to me or address me in any way. My gf says that he is scared of me....! Yet all I've done is try to resolve things and speak to him. What's interesting is that this guy has had problems with my gf's exs too! I don't know all the details but I know he wasn't happy with them either! So I guess that goes to show that he clearly has issues and is very jealous person. He has never had a girlfriend himself.


I have spoken to my gf about all this time after time after time. At other times I've just ignored it and tried to get on with the relationship. But I'm so sick of it now. It's difficult if he's texting her everyday even when I'm with her. She always insisted that they are just best friends and I have trusted her in that and so I know for a fact nothing is going on in that sense. Even so, I feel a tad uneasy about it. Like I don't know what they talk about etc. cos I have never seen them together interacting. This is clearly a significant, important person in her life and that's fine but then it's even more the reason why I should get to know him.

However, from all what I've said surely this situation is just out of control and their friendship is just far from appropriate for someone who is in a relationship. And this is what really upsets me....it's one thing her having this friendship with him, but what really gets me upset and confused and angry is HER ATTITUDE to the entire situation. Whenever I've brought it up, she always been very defensive about it (she's defensive person by nature). I tell her how disrespectful and wrong it is to spend that much time with him and at times she agrees and has said I'll back off. But she has never truly made any changes. They still text all the time, see each other at least once/twice a week sometimes more. The other night, she was wearing his hoodie to go to bed as I was leaving her place! She says how he really cares for her and looks out for her, bit like an older brother I suppose. As she hasn't had any siblings and never really had a father figure, maybe she's let him take on that role. So there is obviously, clearly an emotional connection/attachment and one that doesn't seem like it's going to fade. So how can she be totally committed to me? As much as I dislike him, the fact is he is NOT forcing her to spend all this time with him, going out etc. She could make the choice to say no and limit her time with him. But despite my pleas and concerns, that's not happenin. AND on top of all of this, I think she has realised that he may well have feelings for her afterall! So she senses this and yet even that doesn't deter her from seeing him.

Now, what's even more outrageous is due to her insecurities about trust as she has been cheated on before, she has a problem with me corresponding with my female friends!!! I know this is unbelievably hypocritical and really yet another reason why I'm sick of this whole thing. She would see a harmless text message from a female friend and go nuts sometimes. I did have a close female friend earlier last year who I used to speak to everyday but of course I don't anymore and she gets funny and uneasy if I contact her. IT'S OUTRAGEOUSLY HYPOCRITICAL and a double standard how she reacts in that way yet carries on seeing this guy and being in daily contact with him. I've asked her many times how she would feel if I had a really close female friend who I texted every day, met up with once/twice a week, went out on nights together etc. in other words the very equivalent of her friendship with him and she said she wouldn't be happy about it. I can imagine she would go crazy. And yet, it seems ok for her to do what's she doing with him!! It's one rule for her and another for me. I'm just tired of hearing “but he's my best friend” excuse. The bottom line is that she knows how upset I am about it and deep down she knows how wrong it is to be in contact with someone on that level when you're in a relationship, yet says it's difficult with him because they're so close etc etc. But at the same time I feel part of her is so oblivious to the whole thing, dismissive even. And this amazes me. It seems like she cannot actually realise and see how hypocritical she is. She can't seem to see how she is doing the VERY THING that if I did that, she would be so upset. It's like she sees him as some exception to the rule, even if it's putting a strain on our relationship.

The last couple of weeks have been difficult as she has spent more time with him. On Sunday I couldn't get to see her as it was getting late and she was disappointed by that but then, of course, she goes out and sees him for pizza instead. She has told me before she finds it difficult to be on her own sometimes and needs company.

What's made me share this long story is what happened the other day and yet another example of this ongoing issue. She is considering a PhD and was keen to attend this open day for an university she was keen on. She did mention it to me before but then I heard a few days before that she had already planned to go to it with him! I was shocked and told her straight I would like to go to that with you and support you but she had already planned things with him. She had taken the afternoon off work to work on her proposal but when she called me on the day she was on her way to meet him for coffee before the open day! They attended the open day, she went back to his and had dinner and got back to hers around 1130pm. I'm still in shock over it. How she felt the need to take this guy along for something that was important to her, something to do with her future and instead of sharing that with her bf, she goes with him. Even if she had gone with someone else I would stil have been disappointed because she should have taken me I feel. I just couldn't focus and have hardly slept since.

I haven't spoken to her since then and it is because I am seriously considering ending things with her. I'm so sick of the hypocrisy, the double standards, his behaviour, her ignorance and dismissive nature about the situation. I have tolerated it and given her the respect that she's has a guy best friend and feel I have done everything possible on my part to resolve this and move on. But nothing seems to change. Is it really possible for a girl to have such a close friendship with a guy and have a serious relationship at the same time? I don't think so, because there is a conflict of emotions in my opinion. There is no doubt an emotional attachment with this guy, hence why they feel the need to text each other daily and stay in touch and see each other on such a regular basis.

This issue aside, as a relationship things haven't been great either anyway. We do get on sometimes and have a laugh and have had some good times but as time as gone on there are too many times where she would get snappy, moody, upset over little things whereas I am very laid back and just take things as they come. I'll be honest what's difficult in letting go is my age. At 29, I thought I would have been married. I don't want to go back to the drawing board and start over but I know that's not a reason to stay in a relationship.

SO I don't know. I guess why I've written this down is because I need to know whether I'm over-reacting to this situation or whether any bf would be upset about this? I know it's hard to tell without actually knowing the people involved but from everything I've written....what do you think? Apologies this is so long!! and thank you so much for everyone who read through it!
 
jespah
 
  3  
Reply Wed 13 Mar, 2013 04:10 pm
@john219,
I only read the first 5 paragraphs (by the way, I want to thank you for breaking everything up into paragraphs - so many people don't) but I think that's all that was needed.

He's got it for her and for whatever reason is incapable of telling her. So instead, he's just a passive-aggressive jerk. For her part, she's also being passive-aggressive (who the hell goes to their old roommate's place when they're sick? That's just weird) and is stringing him along. Plus he's got intimate details about her that he just plain should not know.

It's all a grand mess, but the good news is that you do not have to be a part of it.

You can walk, and I think you should, as I suspect it is but a matter of time before his sleeping on the floor turns into sleeping in the same bed with her, or his reviews of your texts turns into him changing the texts to make you look like a creep, or his investigation into your background (downright creepy if you asked me) turns into him fabricating something to really make you look bad, and her believing him, blinding herself to his (to me) pretty dang obvious agenda. Or she goes willingly, deciding that he's always been there for her or whatever while, in the meantime, not giving you the chance to actually be there for her.

Walk, and don't look back. Leave them to their beautiful dysfunction, and find someone who isn't in this sort of a passive-aggressive push-pull with someone else.
Ragman
 
  1  
Reply Wed 13 Mar, 2013 04:16 pm
@john219,
I concur 100% with what Jespah wrote. BTW, for your information, Jespah offers the best and most sensible relationship advice on this forum.

Decision Making:
She chose to bring him instead of you on that college info- gathering trip. For me, that's a show-stopper. Finis!

Moods:
You wrote some details about you and her that are key points: your dispositions are very different and not in a harmonious or interesting way. You wrote that you're laid back and not moody and she is moody and snappish at times. Life is way too short to be dealing with that for too long.

Also - Time to Move On:
Either your lady friend is being naïve or she's less than honest (maybe with herself) about her feelings for this guy. However, it's very clear what HIS intent is. She either isn't admitting to herself how dedicated she is to him or she's blocking out . You don't need that - especially with how you've indicated how you feel about her.

Even though you've written a novel here, sometimes it's good therapy to write it down so you see the story laid out in front of you. It's clear to the casual reader that you're quite articulate. Another woman will find your style, insight and laid-back style attractive and will know how to show appreciation of those attributes. Don't allow convenience or fear of starting over impede you from doing what seems inevitable.

Find your way out graciously...
Time to find your way out of that triangle. Personally, I don't think any good will result for you in pursuing this further.
john219
 
  1  
Reply Wed 13 Mar, 2013 05:29 pm
@jespah,
Hi there thanks for your reply. You're right he has got it for her and it's obvious. I know for sure that nothing has ever happened between them both since we have been together but as you all say it's clearly not on. It's one thing if she really is oblivious to his advances but she has already told me that he has this hunch that he likes her! If that is so, I just don't get how she can continue to behave like this, unless sad to say she lacks that much integrity and honour. And yeah on top of all that then get annoyed if I send one text message to a female friend! Unreal.

Yeah the guy is just a nutcase and a hypocrite himself. It's amazing the fact that she had been cheated by her exs and yet she is spending all this time with this best friend of hers. Every time that she goes out with him for for dinner, a concert, or football game, she is giving him a chance to court her.

Would you say that what she has been doing is having an "emotional affair?" I looked this up and read up about it and it does sound like it is....
john219
 
  1  
Reply Wed 13 Mar, 2013 05:33 pm
@Ragman,
Ragman, thank you for your response.
You're right, the college open day the other day is what infact really upset and led me to actually come on here and detail everything. The fact that they planned to go together to it is just weird. She knew I was free and it is obviously something that was important to her and yet instead of choosing her bf, she goes with him. I was in shock.

I know for sure that nothing has ever happened between them both since we have been together but as you all say it's clearly not on. It's one thing if she really is oblivious to his advances but she has already told me that he has this hunch that he likes her! If that is so, I just don't get how she can continue to behave like this, unless sad to say she lacks that much integrity and honour.

Thank you for your compliments!
0 Replies
 
roger
 
  1  
Reply Wed 13 Mar, 2013 05:35 pm
@john219,
On the other hand, you have this to say.

john219 wrote:

Now, what's even more outrageous is due to her insecurities about trust as she has been cheated on before, she has a problem with me corresponding with my female friends!!!


I'm not saying everything would be grand if you got rid of the female friends, but she might be thinking you want her "to do as you say, not as you do."

Anyway, I wouldn't suggest you get more emotionally involved in all this.
0 Replies
 
jespah
 
  3  
Reply Wed 13 Mar, 2013 05:50 pm
@Ragman,
Jeepers, thanks. I owe it all to the bunny suit. Embarrassed
0 Replies
 
jespah
 
  2  
Reply Wed 13 Mar, 2013 05:52 pm
@john219,
It might be an emotional affair, but it kinda doesn't matter.

There is a very small amount of sauce for the goose, sauce for the gander, but it's one thing to get an occasional text versus all this hanging around, constant texting, etc. Kinda makes me wonder what else either of them do with their time. Does anyone work, go to school, exercise, clean house, call their mothers? 'Cause it just seems like a festival of texting, sleepovers and other weirdnesses.
0 Replies
 
ossobuco
 
  2  
Reply Wed 13 Mar, 2013 05:52 pm
@jespah,
Wise post, Jespah (in my opinion).
0 Replies
 
GorDie
 
  0  
Reply Wed 22 Jul, 2015 09:17 am
@john219,
4 bits of advice no relationship can't do without:

1.)
Stay physically fit and improve - do not force this upon her. Take time out of your schedule to get stronger, and faster. Sex is never exercise* you must routinely improve. This gives her time away form you so you do not seem clingy. This gives you both time to prepare surprises, and also gives you an excuse to keep secrets* This also will improve you in every way if you use this time to reflect upon ambitions, ideas, or plans you have (while working out.)

2.) educate yourself. Stay in the know. Whether it is science, news, culture (movies, music, art), books etc... never allow yourself to become cut off form reality. You must continue to experience new things, so that you can share them with her, her friends, your friends, strangers, new people, This will keep you and her stimulated and it may introduce a new hobby or goal to your life.

3.) stay happy at all times. You may not look happy, feel happy, or want to be happy. But deep down at your core, rely on nothing to stay happy. Be happy to be. IN this you will always have an escape from the worse turmoil and loss or heartbreak. If you are Happy inside, you can easily forgive, learn to remember, and judge fairly. Being Happy does not always mean that you are polite - but it should mean that you strive to be the best that you can be all the time. Mellow, but with zest. (people like other laid back people, because those people do not force things upon them. Or get angry at stupid things.)

and 4.) Be yourself, But more importantly: Do not act like that gay guy. You need to remember how others feel, and not get lost in your own little word - being selfish. He closed that door. Do not close that door. ~ It is oaky to want time*, it is okay to get frazzled, BUT Do not Loose Yourself. That never looks good.

*women like dominant men. If you look desperate, that is creepy. If you look pathetic, it is demoralizing. Women like confidence, with a bit of compassion on the side.*

you should do fine. I am sure you know what to do. However, as a side note, and do not use this in any way that will ever make you look like the offensive jerk.
~ Her Gay friend. Was a kid who butt plugged himself, and was ashamed to admit it. He became socially awkward. He was ashamed, and self conscious. He had violated himself and lost all touch with reality because of the Brain "Chemistry" he had initiated.
Also - men also associate themselves as being Gay because they feel like their social lives are jeopardized by heterosexual relationships. So they pretend they are gay to act flamboyant and hang with their guy friends, when in reality they all watch too much porn and want to gang bang a chick.
If he was gay, it was only because he watched too much gay porn, to see if his affection for sex violation had another root. He was probably just a troubled child, a heterosexual one.
(trouble with social lives) - everyone moving out and away from each other, for sex and children, leaving behind friends, and not helping each other financially - to end up lonely and fat like dad.

anyways. that was long. I hope you read it. Peace.
don't repeat any of this to your Girl
0 Replies
 
 

 
  1. Forums
  2. » my girlfriend's best friend is a guy...PROBLEM
Copyright © 2024 MadLab, LLC :: Terms of Service :: Privacy Policy :: Page generated in 0.03 seconds on 04/27/2024 at 05:13:00